Robertl594
Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
You have reconfirmed that the barrier to entry into professional photography has been lowered to such a pedestrian level, that anyone can enter. Great cameras are now everywhere and very affordable. Not all have the knowledge to use them however.
So my question to you is, with all of your experience and knowledge, when you overheard these two who clearly lack the basic understanding of photography, did you offer any clarity on the subject? It is so easy to explain the basics of photography in under 5 minutes. I have helped so many people with cameras get to the “Ah ha” moment with a quick explanation of the three variables of photography, what each does and how they interact.
It’s easy to gloat when seeing someone else’s potential failure, especially when they have little to no experience and are being paid, but that’s not helpful to advancing our talent and knowledge base, unless of course you are benefitting by their failure.
Robertl594 wrote:
You have reconfirmed that the barrier to entry into professional photography has been lowered to such a pedestrian level, that anyone can enter. Great cameras are now everywhere and very affordable. Not all have the knowledge to use them however.
So my question to you is, with all of your experience and knowledge, when you overheard these two who clearly lack the basic understanding of photography, did you offer any clarity on the subject? It is so easy to explain the basics of photography in under 5 minutes. I have helped so many people with cameras get to the “Ah ha” moment with a quick explanation of the three variables of photography, what each does and how they interact.
It’s easy to gloat when seeing someone else’s potential failure, especially when they have little to no experience and are being paid, but that’s not helpful to advancing our talent and knowledge base, unless of course you are benefitting by their failure.
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Circumstances always govern the "teaching moments". Your last paragraph highlights the problem with making assumptions. I will attempt to speak with the people to provide them with tips to help in their consternation with their photography. But I have no problem inserting myself in many instances. However, I am at times too busy to do that. I do not have the time to spare.
(Do not go out only to become the lightning rod. <- A consideration to keep when dealing with the public.)
I bet you had those "I wish I had the time to--" moments.
Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
Rongnongno wrote:
Today I was the witness of a conversation between two 'photographers' who obviously did not anything about their cameras...
Both complained of the lack of sharpness.
Turns out they both use the infamous VR, expecting it to be the cure of all ills.
They demonstrated an ignorance I could not believe. VR 'allows for a lower speed' That is inherently wrong. Sure, there is some truth in it when dealing with a static object, but a moving one? That is wrong. The subject motion is and must be what determines the speed used if one wants tack sharp capture. You can play with the dof or ISO, not with the speed.
Then they did not take into account the type of sensor array their camera has, such as the density of it. The smaller the individual sensors are, the faster the shutter speed needs to be.
Then there was their use of JPG which opens yet another can of worm.
These two are 'shooting' weddings, more like a terminal execution in my opinion. A firing squad should be the next step, as in 'YOU ARE FIRED!!!'.
The issues are, again, in my opinion., a near complete ignorance of their cameras' capabilities and utter misunderstanding of what DR does and where.
VR helps stabilize the camera lens combination when hand holding it. It does not compensate for the subject motion at all.
So if your shots are not up to your expectation first and foremost check your capture speed. Since dof is an important part of having your subject within the acceptable field of sharpness*, the only setting you can use is the ISO setting. And to use ISO effectively, you need to shoot raw and know your sensor capabilities (DR as well as optimal ISO for invariant sensors). If using auto ISO the lower limit is the one that allows for the minimal speed to use in order to capture an image that is sharp.
In short, stop complaining like these two and take the steps necessary to reduce the throw-away due to lack of sharpness.
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* I do not use depth of field because the acceptable field of sharpness is shorter than the depth of field, even if the two terms are used interchangeably by many.
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I see no harm in shooting things like weddings in JPEG as long as a second card is set up for RAW. It can eliminate a lot of PP for the shots that are well exposed and sharp in the JPEG images while having a RAW file to fine tune shots that are less than well exposed or sharp.
Robertl594 wrote:
.../... So my question to you is, with all of your experience and knowledge, when you overheard these two who clearly lack the basic understanding of photography, did you offer any clarity on the subject? .../...
No, I did not and no, I am not gloating. I am sadder, more than anything.
Why did overhearing their conversation trigger an urge to explain lack of sharp focus to us here in a photo forum? Most of us here understand how to achieve sharp focus. The lecture should have been directed to the 2 people you overheard. Unless you are replying to a specific question raised here by a member, why unnecessarily launch into a “how to focus “ tutorial?
Curmudgeon wrote:
In today's world there is no reason to shoot with a shutter speed of less than 1/1000 in normal daylight conditions. That will solve almost all motion blur problems.
Amen to that, but weddings are not always in broad daylight.
Rongnongno wrote:
The real issue is overreliance on technology w/o understanding what it does. It is not about exposure or anything else for that matter.
We dont always agree, but I readily acknowledge it when we do, and right there we agree on something which is supremely clear and obvious (but only obvious in the real world).
Rick from NY wrote:
Why did overhearing their conversation trigger an urge to explain lack of sharp focus to us here in a photo forum? Most of us here understand how to achieve sharp focus. The lecture should have been directed to the 2 people you overheard. Unless you are replying to a specific question raised here by a member, why unnecessarily launch into a “how to focus “ tutorial?
I believe Ron correctly equated that pair with many very typical Hawgsters ... and it therefor does not matter whether that pair were discussing some visible lack of sharpness or merely a pixel peepers lack of pure perfection.
Robertl594
Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
Rongnongno wrote:
No, I did not and no, I am not gloating. I am sadder, more than anything.
Sorry, I am not suggesting that you are gloating. I am suggesting that there are times when we tend to want to.
I too share your sadness that some who lack experience and know-how, actually land paying jobs that are very important to someone, when there are qualified people who can deliver, without question. I guess it is being in the right place, at the right time, not having the honor/integrity to admit a lack of competency.
I also like the lightning rod metaphor. Sometimes I get a bit overzealous and feel the need to "assist" those in need, even when not asked to, which may be a bad habit of mine.
Best
RL
R.G. wrote:
The point being made is a valid one and it points to an unfortunate state of affairs. One of the most basic aspects of photography is that the shutter speed needs to be fast enough to eliminate motion blur (unless it is specifically wanted). There are only three other factors that are equally basic - the exposure needs to be right, the DOF needs to be right (which usually means "sufficient") and the ISO should be as low as circumstances allow.
Considering how simple and how basic those four requirements are, it's amazing that they are not all common knowledge and well understood. The fact that they aren't indicates that most teaching in photography is more complicated than it needs to be.
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Excellent comments and conclusions.
Rongnongno wrote:
...In short, stop complaining like these two and take the steps necessary to reduce the throw-away due to lack of sharpness.
You are completely missing some key points here...
It is ALWAYS the fault of the camera and/or lens... NEVER the fault of the user!
And some related points....
One should NEVER read the manual, because that just demonstrates weakness.
Finally, all you need do to be a PROFESSIONAL is declare yourself one. There is no need to waste time LEARNING YOUR CRAFT first. That would just put a damper on your "creative vision".
Once you understand these things, we can start moving ahead with the rest of your indoctrination.
P.S. Getting married? Don't hire your wedding photographer off Craigslist!
User ID wrote:
Amen to that, but weddings are not always in broad daylight.
Very true! But I hear they've recently invented something called a "flash" to help with exactly that problem.
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