jcboy3

A Black pastor arrested while watering his neighbor's flowers.

A white neighbor didn't recognize him and called the police. But after the police arrived, she realized who he was and told the police that he was a neighbor.

And yet, they arrested him, took him into custody, and then released him on $500 bail.

No crime was being committed; he refused to go fetch some ID but the neighbor said he was who he said he was.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/10/us/black-pastor-arrest-watering-flowers-federal-lawsuit-reaj/index.html

https://www.fox41yakima.com/black-alabama-pastor-says-he-was-wrongfully-arrested-while-watering-his-neighbors-flowers/

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

If it had been a white guy doing the same thing, would you call it racism? I think not, so why is it in this instance?

DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"

Are you serious?

A "white guy" would have been applauded for being a good neighbor. Why do you think the black community is so distrustful of police? I am NOT for "defund the police", but the "blue wall" needs to come down. If only to protect the vast majority of men and women trying to serve the community. They are getting shat upon because of the few rotten apples who desecrate the honor of the police.

I apologize "JCBOY" yours was a legitimate response. I replied without fully following the thread. (My error)

I agree with you completely and I am glad you have highlighted this incident.

There are good police officers being killed by bad actors. This is a serious problem for our society. The easy availability of guns is really not the problem. It is the tolerance of a group of a group of people who allow gun ownership by those that should not have access to guns. The NRA has too much influence, which of course leads to a discussion of lobbyists and their money.

CPR Loc: Nature Coast of Florida

If you overlook the racial angle and just look at the ENTIRE event it looks different.
The police get a call - they have to react.
They ask the person who he is and what he's doing.
The person refuses to give his name and say what he's doing ( thus causing the problem)
The officers have to react as if the person is a trespasser.
Later on in this after the officers have had to deal with this person refusing to simply say his name and what he's doing just because he doesn't want to (?)
The neighbor ID's him.
Like so many of these so-called racial incidents a simply " Ok,Hi officer I'm John Jones and I'm watering my neighbor's flowers. I live just down the street." would have ended it.

jcboy3

The person did not refuse to identify himself. He gave his name and identified himself as a neighbor. He just refused to go get his ID.

The officers do not have to react as if the person is a trespasser. He was watering the neighbors plants. This was not a trespass incident.

What you thought should have ended it, was exactly what he said. Except he lived across the street, not down the street.

I don't know what your reaction would be, but if I see someone watering plants, I figure it's someone watering the plants and not a nefarious criminal.

So, racist incident #1: the white neighbor doesn't recognize a black man watering the plants. So she calls the police. He lives right across the street.

And, racist incident #2: even after the white neighbor finally recognizes the black man and vouches for him, the white police arrest him and take him into custody, and he has to pay bail to get out.

And I cannot imagine this happening to a white man. Either case.

anotherview Loc: California

Definition of terms may help ground this post. The term "racism" refers to the belief of one race as superior to another. Racists act from this belief.

In this incident, an alert resident reported a stranger on his property. Confronted by the police, the stranger refused to identify himself. The situation of an unidentified stranger trespassing on another's property thereby led the police to enforce the law against this stranger until the police, apparently, gathered more information.

Classifying this incident as an example of racism forces it to fit under a popular social model of human relations, racism, when an empirical evaluation suffices to explain this incident.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

Apparently you don’t live in my neighborhood. If a cop asks for ID, you show it to him. If you don’t, you suffer the consequences, whatever it might be, whatever the color you are. Period.

jcboy3

It wasn't the "alert resident"'s property; it was a neighbor that was out of town, and the other neighbor was watering his plants for him.

The police had sufficient information: the neighbor that made the original call rescinded it and told the police that the man was who he said he was.

The racism is as I described it in a later post in the thread.

jcboy3

If you don't have ID on you? Because you are in the residential neighborhood you live in? Because you are black?

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

Apparently we are going to agree to disagree. End of conversation.

jcboy3

I used to live in Indiana. It was one of the most blatantly racist states I've ever lived in. So you are probably right; show them ID or suffer the consequences.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

It wasn’t- that’s the whole point

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I don’t carry my wallet when doing yard work in my yard.

Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL

If a felon possesses a gun (which is illegal, at least in my state), he or she either stole it himself or bought it from someone who did. How is this "allowing" him to possess it? No one knows he has it until he either uses it in criminal fashion, or it's discovered accidentally by law enforcement during an investigation or traffic stop. The issue is not the ease of acquisition of guns, but the proliferation of criminals. If, once arrested and convicted, criminals were required to serve complete sentences instead of being sent back to the streets, there would at least be fewer of them for a while.

Ridiculously low bonds are also an issue here. I don't keep track of the local hooligans, but I remember two instances where people out on bond for murder committed another murder. That's B.S.! As a step in the right direction, the District attorney's office and the local district judges recently agreed that anyone arrested for murder, homicide, etc would have their bond set at 1 1/2 million dollars. I then saw on the news that someone's bond had been reduce to $1500. The laws ony work if they are applied...