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Aug 22, 2022 01:22:40   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Bad workmanship can be covered up using the appropriate tools, but that doesn't mean it's the tools that are wrong.

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Aug 22, 2022 05:19:35   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


No lens is perfect. No lens has the same MTF performance at low contrast as at high contrast. Deconvolution can recreate sharp contrast transitions that the lens blurs. I find it silly not to use whatever tools are available to improve an image. In video, grading is always part of high-end production, sometimes costing thousands of dollars an hour. No high-end production uses images SOOC, and the same can be said about commercial photography. Only amateurs pride themselves on SOOC, because they are either ignorant of or too lazy to do what can be done to improve images in post.

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Aug 22, 2022 06:05:18   #
ELNikkor
 
variables will always elicit the need for whatever "extra help" we can get!

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Aug 22, 2022 06:12:38   #
Capn_Dave
 
In wildlife photography we use telephoto lenses a lot, Did you ever look at images you captured with a telephoto lens on a beautiful afternoon and wonder why they were not sharp? . Ever see shimmering in the distance such as where a road goes over a hill? Telephoto focal lengths magnify these heat waves and longer subject distances are more likely to be negatively influenced by the distorting effect. or even look slightly out of focus. In other words they ain't sharp and there is not much you can do about it. Topaz has really helped improve photos that would otherwise be rejected because they were not sharp

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Aug 22, 2022 06:18:09   #
alphonso49uk
 
After you take a photo ,there are 2 choices.Either leave it alone or try and improve it. I choose the latter but plenty would disagree...either because they cant be bothered, theyre too busy, or they dont have confidence in getting to grips with modern software. Its a personal choice.
What winds me up are the ones who say....theres a new model out which will take 24 frames per second as opposed to the 10 frames per second Im stuck with now. I need to get it.
If you cant get a bird in flight at 5 frames per second...you need to get another hobby.

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Aug 22, 2022 06:21:00   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


It is software developed by someone else's genius that makes them what they are not.

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Aug 22, 2022 07:21:38   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
kpmac wrote:
I say if a photo is very good SOC it will still be better after processing no matter what camera one uses.



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Aug 22, 2022 08:00:58   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


Just imagine you have a box full of tools... saws, hammers, drills, screwdrivers and so on... but you refuse to use power tools, just because they are not 'pure'.

AI, sharpening, denoise, masking, color correction, etc. software are just tools. For some tasks they are useful, for others not... but just refraining to use some tools is just a form of fundamentalism.

And, btw, do not forget that if shooting SOOC, the camera is performing those steps anyway... almost without control of your side. What the camera sensor produces is just... ah, RAW, ya know. It is useless for viewing, printing or otherwise display you craft. Either the camera's software bakes that RAW data based on some japanese algorithm or you do it by hand.

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Aug 22, 2022 08:03:30   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Interesting to see how photographers in the "early years", i.e. Film were able to get crystal clear images moving, static, etc..Now modern day photographers have PS, LR, AI all blended together & theyre no better.....hmm....If theyre too clear, they look fake..Cropping a photo, I can see why....but to each their own.

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Aug 22, 2022 08:13:03   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
I retouch, restore, fix, other peoples old yet precious photos. And amatures who messed up a photo of a loved one. Topaz features are invaluable for that. And, sometimes I mess up a photo taken with my $500 camera.

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Aug 22, 2022 08:16:16   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
GLSmith wrote:
Interesting to see how photographers in the "early years", i.e. Film were able to get crystal clear images moving, static, etc..Now modern day photographers have PS, LR, AI all blended together & theyre no better.....hmm....If theyre too clear, they look fake..Cropping a photo, I can see why....but to each their own.


I remember being a kid and watching with fascination my ouncle working on his darkroom... He was a pro, and worked on soccer fields, and also made weddings.

No, pros did not nail it cristal clear all the times... It could be done on weddings, where people posed for the photo... but I believe he culled about 90% of the soccer shots.

Comparing past times with today's is just comparing middle ages carpenters (who made incredible crafts for knights) with today's carpenters and say that they don't work as those on the past because now power tools are used.

Personally I welcome new thech and new tools.

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Aug 22, 2022 08:19:05   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


I don't have a $6K camera or for that matter a $12,000K lens. Photography is a hobby for me and I do have several thousand dollars worth of equipment. I don't feel my hobby warrants spending much more but at only a few hundred dollars, I can afford some pretty good software and, though frustrating at times, I actually enjoy trying to get the best out of my images.

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Aug 22, 2022 08:24:07   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
To quote a renowned master, "You don't take a photograph, you make it.”

This is aimed at the "fix it in post" crowd. The entire process from conception to finished print should be planned. The concept of getting anything and fixing it through the magic of software is a fool's path.
--Bob

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Aug 22, 2022 08:27:00   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


Your underlying assumption is flawed. You assume everyone has a $6K camera and $12K lenses. But somehow I think you know that and was just taking a stab at some humor.

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Aug 22, 2022 08:35:33   #
Canisdirus
 
I don't use sharpening anymore...because you are right.

With todays new mirrorless and their new lens counterparts...everything on the hardware side is up to snuff.

I do use noise control however...even at iso 100...sharpening is done there to bring back what the noise reduction took away.

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