Camera purchase for my friend
Aug 8, 2022 10:44:47 #
Longshadow wrote:
Even though I have a phone that does nicely, I'd rather use a dedicated camera.
Yes, a dedicated camera did come first in my life, and with today's younger people, the phone came first...
Maybe the phone will meet their needs, maybe not.
Yes, a dedicated camera did come first in my life, and with today's younger people, the phone came first...
Maybe the phone will meet their needs, maybe not.
That was my point.
Aug 8, 2022 10:48:11 #
Architect1776 wrote:
R10 gets her into the future and all lenses will be native and grow with her.
With the 18-150mm gets her in for a little over $1,300 and it is light, hyper fast AF and many pro level features she can grow into for a starter beginner camera price.
With the 18-150mm gets her in for a little over $1,300 and it is light, hyper fast AF and many pro level features she can grow into for a starter beginner camera price.
An excellent choice, or alternately, a Fuji X-T3 with the excellent “kit” 18-55 lens ($1379).
Aug 8, 2022 10:51:16 #
Sidwalkastronomy
Loc: New Jersey Shore
dennis2146 wrote:
In my opinion you are completely WRONG. You decid... (show quote)
I couldn't agree more.
How many items do we own that we NEVER use to their full capabilities, like your microwave oven
Aug 8, 2022 10:52:40 #
Rongnongno wrote:
That was my point.
And mine was that maybe she wants a dedicated camera...
That old need vs. want thing.
So if she doesn't know exactly what she wants to do, did you explain the differences between phone and dedicated cameras so she may better understand what each is capable of accomplishing. Maybe then she can better determine what she may want/need? Most people starting out have no real idea of what they want to do in the beginning, other than take pictures.
Aug 8, 2022 10:53:47 #
Ask her to read Ken Rockwell's review on the mirrorless Canon RP. It is a great camera, light, easy to handle, and offers a lens choice within her budget.
Aug 8, 2022 10:59:51 #
If she is close by and you have a camera store near you, I’d suggest you both go. I agree with the other comment that what you like may not be what she will like. I brought my granddaughter, now 18, and she chose a used Olympus body and two lenses, and I got them all for just under $500. And it is a system that can be built on for years to come. Good luck with your decision. JimR
Aug 8, 2022 11:00:07 #
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
So much hype about mirrorless so I'm leaning there but the Canon rebel line has some nice cameras and lenes.
Reeeeeally ? A brand new raw noobie hooking up with SLRs ? That would be absurdly sick. Maybe she would like a rangefinder film camera ? Those were mainstream in a fairly recent century.
Pragmatically she should get whatever Canon EVF she can afford cuz Canon is easiest to sell if she quits and has good potential if she sticks with it.
Aug 8, 2022 11:06:00 #
User ID wrote:
Reeeeeally ? A brand new raw noobie hooking up with SLRs ? That would be absurdly sick. Maybe she would like a rangefinder film camera ? Those were mainstream in a fairly recent century.
Pragmatically she should get whatever Canon EVF she can afford cuz Canon is easiest to sell if she quits.
Pragmatically she should get whatever Canon EVF she can afford cuz Canon is easiest to sell if she quits.
"SLRs" as in film? I didn't see that mentioned. (There are digital Rebels, not just film.)
What would be wrong with a DSLR?
Simply the fact that it's not the latest and greatest?
Aug 8, 2022 11:14:53 #
Going to a physical store might be easier said than done. Handling a new R10 that is the next logical crop-body beyond the EOS 10D-80D products also might not be physically possible.
The idea to grow with and not outgrow is best addressed with a mirrorless body, even though every DSLR you find still in-stock has a decade+ of useful life. The EOS T8i is more like the 80D in technology than any 'entry level' Rebel of the past. The 'limiting' factor of a DSLR, Canon and any brand, will be access to EF / EF-S lenses over the long-run, access outside a confident used-market shopper.
The idea to grow with and not outgrow is best addressed with a mirrorless body, even though every DSLR you find still in-stock has a decade+ of useful life. The EOS T8i is more like the 80D in technology than any 'entry level' Rebel of the past. The 'limiting' factor of a DSLR, Canon and any brand, will be access to EF / EF-S lenses over the long-run, access outside a confident used-market shopper.
Aug 8, 2022 11:29:36 #
Longshadow wrote:
"SLRs" as in film? I didn't see that mentioned. (There are digital Rebels, not just film.)
What would be wrong with a DSLR?
Simply the fact that it's not the latest and greatest?
What would be wrong with a DSLR?
Simply the fact that it's not the latest and greatest?
You sooprise me. I was sure you know better than that. Maybe youre just tweaking my chain ... but just in case not, see attached.
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Aug 8, 2022 11:43:04 #
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
My friend who's a beginner wants to buy a camera t... (show quote)
It is an extremely good practice to do the following when considering a camera system purchase:
0) (Preface) Know where you will gain your knowledge. THIS is the single most important part of your entry into photography. Set aside some money for books or classes, and time to learn the basics of technique, technology, and the artistic side of photography — things such as composition, point of view, lighting, contrast, color, moment, purpose, application... THEN consider:
1) Ergonomics — maximize the FEEL of the camera and lenses in your hands (including weight, balance, finger placement, grip, etc.) So RENT or BORROW to try before you buy. One brand may be significantly easier or more difficult for you to handle.
2) Menus — the LAYOUT of the camera menus must make sense. Some brands are FAR more logical than others in the way they organize all the options. So RENT or BORROW to try before you buy. One brand may be significantly easier or more difficult for you to use.
3) What will you photograph? This is critical to know, at least in some detail, so that you get into a system that can handle specific needs. Read reviews at https://www.dpreview.com and similar sites. Watch camera reviews on YouTube, although know that the people reviewing the cameras are video bloggers who tend to look at the world through THAT "needs filter."
4) Will you record video? This can be irrelevant, or critical, depending upon whether you intend to record BOTH stills and video with the same system. HINT: This is far more important to young people than it is to the primary UHH demographics...
5) What can you spend up front? Digital photography requires a system of components to practice thoroughly. You'll need camera, lenses, tripod, memory cards, card reader, computer, monitor, monitor calibration device (if you print your own or use a lab), printer, inks, papers (if you print your own), software, storage hard drive, backup hard drive, cloud backup service... It can get very expensive!
6) What can you afford later? Add lights, brackets, and stands... more lenses, cases, light modifiers, reflectors, scrims, backdrops, props, and other studio gear if you do studio portraits, product or food photography, architecture, or still life work. Add audio gear (mics, headphones, etc.) for video work.
Know that every camera in the market has been designed to fulfill a certain set of needs — a certain niche. Your job is to find the camera that fits YOUR set of needs, so THINK and research well. What works for one person may be a poor fit for someone else! There is NO perfect camera. There is only the camera that best fits your present needs.
Aug 8, 2022 11:43:53 #
TriX wrote:
An excellent choice, or alternately, a Fuji X-T3 with the excellent “kit” 18-55 lens ($1379).
Aug 8, 2022 11:49:02 #
User ID wrote:
You sooprise me. I was sure you know better than that. Maybe youre just tweaking my chain ... but just in case not, see attached.
I sooprised you because I asked about your reference to SLRs as opposed to DSLRs?
I was sooprised that you inferred film (SLR)...
Or don't you differentiate SLR from DSLR.
Aug 8, 2022 11:49:27 #
burkphoto wrote:
It is an extremely good practice to do the followi... (show quote)
Thankfully, every possible camera that carries the brand markings C A N O N addresses all five of your criteria.
Aug 8, 2022 11:52:50 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Funny that she accepted what I said.
I told her to wait until she had a clue as to what she wanted to do. She did not have any.
The idea was not to dissuade but make her think about what she wanted to do first.
When she decides, I will help her, depending on what she has discovered as to learn the in and outs of F-stop, speed and ISO? WAY to early. One step at a time.
First:
Do you really need a camera? The answer was an obvious no, at this point in time.
I told her to wait until she had a clue as to what she wanted to do. She did not have any.
The idea was not to dissuade but make her think about what she wanted to do first.
When she decides, I will help her, depending on what she has discovered as to learn the in and outs of F-stop, speed and ISO? WAY to early. One step at a time.
First:
Do you really need a camera? The answer was an obvious no, at this point in time.
Of course she accepted what you said. If you would have suggested a specific type of camera and told her it was a great buy she most likely would also have accepted what you said. I know any number of people who know I am into cameras, firearms, fishing and so on. If they are new or getting interested in any subjects they know I am into then they will ask my advice or preferences. Everyone has someone like that for some subjects. So what? Her believing you does not mean you gave her good advice.
Now you are bringing up information that was not in your original post. Now you are telling us she had no clue what she wanted to do. To me that means she was pondering IF she wanted to get into photography or not. Before I had thought she did want to get into photography with a real camera and you swayed her against it. Two completely different scenarios aren't they? So which is it, she was wondering about photography with no real desire evidenced OR she did want to get into photography and you told her to use the phone until she knew more about it? Hard to get to know a camera using a phone isn't it?
Dennis
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