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Jul 29, 2022 10:45:09   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
amfoto1 wrote:
"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high build quality? High image quality? High megapixel count?

"small full frame" is sort of counterintuitive. Small camera, large sensor is not something you find together. A large sensor needs a larger camera.

"great telephoto fixed lens" Telephoto lens is a long focal length. Smaller cameras with powerful telephoto capability accomplish that feat by having very small sensors... the opposite of "full frame". A "fixed lens" is a lens that has only one focal length... such as "300mm". It is not a zoom lens. I am guessing you simply mean a non-interchangeable lens, that you would consider a zoom. Many compact cameras have zoom lenses for the versatility. Especially those with telephoto capabilities. The smaller number that have fixed a fixed lens use a "normal" or "slightly wide" lens, not a "telephoto".

"For travel"... Well, that can be pretty much anything. I've traveled with a full frame DSLR fitted with a battery grip, 20mm, 24-70mm, 135mm and 300mm lenses, as well as a flash, 1.4X teleconverter (for use on the 135mm and 300mm lenses), macro extension tubes, lens and sensor cleaning kit, light meter, spare batteries, charger, extra memory and more. I've also traveled with a small APS-C mirrorless camera, four small prime lenses (12mm, 22mm, 56mm and 90mm), macro tubes, lens adapter, macro tubes, spare battery/charger, extra memory and a few other things... with a total weight less than the full frame camera/grip alone! Some people take a "bridge camera" or a "point n shoot" (both use non-interchangeable zoom lenses) that makes for an even lighter and more compact kit.

Full frame point-n-shoots:
Here are eight non-interchangeable lens cameras that have full frame sensors offering between 37MP and 47MP resolution... three are Leica, four are Sony and one is a Zeiss camera. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_sensor-size_3087%3Afull-frame All of these cameras are fitted with a fixed focal length, moderately wide lens (28mm or 35mm). None offer telephoto.

APS-C point-n-shoots:
The next size smaller sensor is APS-C and there are only eight of these available too, with resolutions between 24MP and 29MP. Four are Ricoh, Fujifilm offers two models, while Canon and Sigma each offer one. As with the above cameras, most of these have a fixed, non-interchangeable, moderate to slightly wide (28mm to 40mm full frame equivalent) lens. The Canon has a modest zoom that's equivalent to 24mm wide angle to 72mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Aaps-c The smaller sensor used in these cameras will make for a bit less low light shooting capability, more noise issues at higher ISOs.

Micro 4/3 point-n-shoots:
Next we have so-called Micro Four-Thirds (M4/3) sensors... a little smaller still. Currently only three cameras use this sensor format, two Panasonic and one Leica, all of which are 17MP. All three also have similar zoom lenses, equivalent to full frame 24mm wide angle to 75mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Afour-thirds

1" point-n-shoots:
You'll find a much larger selection among so-called 1" (one inch) sensor format cameras. Twenty four models use this next size smaller after M4/3 and their resolution ranges from 15MP to 23MP. Sony and Panasonic each offer eight 1" cameras, Canon offers five, Ricoh two and Leica one. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in Several have fixed focal length, moderately wide lenses... but twenty one offer a zoom. Many of those zooms are modest, but others have fairly powerful telephoto "reach", equivalent to full frame 200mm, 400mm or even 600mm! Several of these are what are known as "bridge" cameras, similar in appearance to DSLRs, except that their zoom lens is not interchangeable.https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in%2Cfct_telephoto-35mm-equiv_4088%3A200mm%7C250mm%7C360mm%7C400mm%7C480mm%7C600mm

1/2.3", 1/2", 1/5" point-n-shoots:
There are many "point n shoots" that use these even smaller format sensors, some of which have truly extreme telephoto range... equivalent to full frame 800mm, 900mm, 1000mm, 2000mm and even 3000mm! In other cases the tiny sensors used in these allow for the most compact cameras, but all these smaller sensor cameras are much more susceptible to digital noise, which significantly limits how high ISO can be used as well as limiting shooting in lower light conditions. Resolution is also limited by sensor size, typically between 12MP and 20MP. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1-2.3in%7C1-2.0in%7C1-5in

I hope I'm on the right track with this and that it helps you find what you want. If you wish, you can further refine the searches at B&H Photo to narrow it down to a smaller selection. Once you've identified a few, do further research on them and look for good, detailed reviews.
"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high ... (show quote)


I always look forward to your responses which are always thorough, factual, civil, and complete with great examples and references.
Thanks for sharing this info with us UHH'ers. This response should be in a UHH FAQ link/page.
Once again your response makes me . . . .
Smile,
JimmyT Sends
Bravo Zulu

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Jul 29, 2022 21:58:51   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Hodagman wrote:
Seeking a high quality MGP small full framed camera with a great telephoto fixed lens system for travel.


4 pages of pontificating and the OP is gone after original post.

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Jul 29, 2022 23:52:47   #
MDI Mainer
 
If you insist on a full-frame sensor, the Sony A7C is a "small" body with a high quality, full-frame sensor, since it's roughly the size of Sony's APS-C bodies. But it is an interchangeable lens camera, and it's overall size will depend on what lens you attach.

Remember that the spectacular zoom range of all the fixed-lens cameras mentioned in the various posts above is a "full-frame equivalent" number, so is dependent on having a smaller-than-full-frame sensor.

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Jul 30, 2022 01:05:41   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
What the OP wants doesn’t exist, so he’ll have to make some compromises.

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Jul 30, 2022 02:07:24   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
suntouched wrote:
Look into Leica w fixed lenses. Q2 camera with lens is 1 1/2 pounds, around 48 MP full frame. And there are other camera choices within that brand.


Except for the telephoto requirement it certainly meets the OP's specifications, although I am guessing he is not willing to spend almost $6000 for it.

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Jul 30, 2022 02:12:26   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Perhaps you should have mentioned that it pushes $6,000 in price.


The OP is asking for an impossible set of features and did not specify budget. The Q2 meets most of them. The fact that it pushes $6000 is irrelevant unless a budget is established.

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Jul 30, 2022 02:15:40   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
amfoto1 wrote:
"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high build quality? High image quality? High megapixel count?

"small full frame" is sort of counterintuitive. Small camera, large sensor is not something you find together. A large sensor needs a larger camera.

"great telephoto fixed lens" Telephoto lens is a long focal length. Smaller cameras with powerful telephoto capability accomplish that feat by having very small sensors... the opposite of "full frame". A "fixed lens" is a lens that has only one focal length... such as "300mm". It is not a zoom lens. I am guessing you simply mean a non-interchangeable lens, that you would consider a zoom. Many compact cameras have zoom lenses for the versatility. Especially those with telephoto capabilities. The smaller number that have fixed a fixed lens use a "normal" or "slightly wide" lens, not a "telephoto".

"For travel"... Well, that can be pretty much anything. I've traveled with a full frame DSLR fitted with a battery grip, 20mm, 24-70mm, 135mm and 300mm lenses, as well as a flash, 1.4X teleconverter (for use on the 135mm and 300mm lenses), macro extension tubes, lens and sensor cleaning kit, light meter, spare batteries, charger, extra memory and more. I've also traveled with a small APS-C mirrorless camera, four small prime lenses (12mm, 22mm, 56mm and 90mm), macro tubes, lens adapter, macro tubes, spare battery/charger, extra memory and a few other things... with a total weight less than the full frame camera/grip alone! Some people take a "bridge camera" or a "point n shoot" (both use non-interchangeable zoom lenses) that makes for an even lighter and more compact kit.

Full frame point-n-shoots:
Here are eight non-interchangeable lens cameras that have full frame sensors offering between 37MP and 47MP resolution... three are Leica, four are Sony and one is a Zeiss camera. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_sensor-size_3087%3Afull-frame All of these cameras are fitted with a fixed focal length, moderately wide lens (28mm or 35mm). None offer telephoto.

APS-C point-n-shoots:
The next size smaller sensor is APS-C and there are only eight of these available too, with resolutions between 24MP and 29MP. Four are Ricoh, Fujifilm offers two models, while Canon and Sigma each offer one. As with the above cameras, most of these have a fixed, non-interchangeable, moderate to slightly wide (28mm to 40mm full frame equivalent) lens. The Canon has a modest zoom that's equivalent to 24mm wide angle to 72mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Aaps-c The smaller sensor used in these cameras will make for a bit less low light shooting capability, more noise issues at higher ISOs.

Micro 4/3 point-n-shoots:
Next we have so-called Micro Four-Thirds (M4/3) sensors... a little smaller still. Currently only three cameras use this sensor format, two Panasonic and one Leica, all of which are 17MP. All three also have similar zoom lenses, equivalent to full frame 24mm wide angle to 75mm short telephoto. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3Afour-thirds

1" point-n-shoots:
You'll find a much larger selection among so-called 1" (one inch) sensor format cameras. Twenty four models use this next size smaller after M4/3 and their resolution ranges from 15MP to 23MP. Sony and Panasonic each offer eight 1" cameras, Canon offers five, Ricoh two and Leica one. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in Several have fixed focal length, moderately wide lenses... but twenty one offer a zoom. Many of those zooms are modest, but others have fairly powerful telephoto "reach", equivalent to full frame 200mm, 400mm or even 600mm! Several of these are what are known as "bridge" cameras, similar in appearance to DSLRs, except that their zoom lens is not interchangeable.https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1in%2Cfct_telephoto-35mm-equiv_4088%3A200mm%7C250mm%7C360mm%7C400mm%7C480mm%7C600mm

1/2.3", 1/2", 1/5" point-n-shoots:
There are many "point n shoots" that use these even smaller format sensors, some of which have truly extreme telephoto range... equivalent to full frame 800mm, 900mm, 1000mm, 2000mm and even 3000mm! In other cases the tiny sensors used in these allow for the most compact cameras, but all these smaller sensor cameras are much more susceptible to digital noise, which significantly limits how high ISO can be used as well as limiting shooting in lower light conditions. Resolution is also limited by sensor size, typically between 12MP and 20MP. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Point-Shoot-Digital-Cameras/ci/8612/N/4288586279?filters=fct_cameras-kits_7135%3Acameras-only%2Cfct_sensor-size_3087%3A1-2.3in%7C1-2.0in%7C1-5in

I hope I'm on the right track with this and that it helps you find what you want. If you wish, you can further refine the searches at B&H Photo to narrow it down to a smaller selection. Once you've identified a few, do further research on them and look for good, detailed reviews.
"high quality MGP"? Does this mean high ... (show quote)


"small full frame" is sort of counterintuitive. Small camera, large sensor is not something you find together. A large sensor needs a larger camera."

Not necessarily. Many Leicas have small bodies with full frame sensors.

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Jul 30, 2022 12:28:30   #
MDI Mainer
 
Wingpilot wrote:
What the OP wants doesn’t exist, so he’ll have to make some compromises.


The real question now after four pages of posts is "Does the OP still exist?"

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Jul 30, 2022 13:12:45   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
The real question now after four pages of posts is "Does the OP still exist?"


Exactly what I asked a few posts before.
OP is gone, laughing at all the pontificating going on over something non existent.
The joke is on the pontificators.

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Jul 30, 2022 14:06:25   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
As usual... no good deed ever went unpunished..

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Jul 30, 2022 20:03:03   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ORpilot wrote:
As usual... no good deed ever went unpunished..


So let’s see. You gave advice on a forum and the OP never checked back in. That is some HARSH punishment but think how much worse if you had actually originated that advice rather than just seconding someone else’s suggestion. That punishment is positively, (or not), bone-chilling!

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Jul 30, 2022 21:15:10   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
There is no rule that only the OP benefits from posts on a forum. Other individuals may also. And what is pontificating and what is stating an opinion? Seems to me that is clearly a judgment matter, depending on the interests of the posters. Perhaps the IQ could be cut a little slack - after all, perhaps he or she died of a heart attack a few hours after the original post!! Yes, unlikely (although we actually do not know anything about the situation) but it seems to me that this thread has involved a lot of hyper-criticism!

After all, does a little kindness ever do any harm??

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