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Apr 26, 2022 18:02:51   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
dpullum wrote:
As I recall Canon with the SX50, very small sensor, bridge camera, did a great job jumping 1200mm lens shot to 2400mm crop zoom. Stokes, a pro bird photographer used this technique well. An early CIZ?
"http://stokesbirdingblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/canon-sx-50-hs-for-bird-photography-i.html

a6k you commented: "Detroit area but not inside the air pollution bubble/dome." I recall in the 1965 era driving to Detroit from Lansing, there was a SiFi futeristic dome over the city from all the industrial pollution.
As I recall Canon with the SX50, very small sensor... (show quote)


I had the SX50 at one point and ended up selling it. The images looked good if you didn't look to close. But if you zoomed in, it was a different story.

First image are some cormorants taken at about 600 feet. There was water between where I was looking at them to where they were on this tiny island. This image was taken in RAW and I did use a tripod.

Second image switched to JPEG and turned on the digital TC at 2.0X. Image still has the same pixel dimensions. And as long as you don't look too close, it looks OK.

Third image is the first image zoomed in to 200%. Notice the look that the image now takes on. Of course it is visible at 100% and lower, but I wanted to show it in a way it was really noticeable. I have the Nikon P1000, and it does not do this.

Fourth image is the 2nd image blown up to 200%, again to just show what is happening to the image.

A fifth image started with the first image RAW file and expanded 1.4x with Gigapixel AI. And the 6th resized 2x with Gigapixel AI. The background garbage is cleaned up quite a bit if you look close. I should have cropped these last two images, but forgot to do so.

1200mm
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2400mm by using 2x TC
2400mm by using 2x TC...
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First picture at 200%
First picture at 200%...

Second picture at 200%. This one used the 2X TC
Second picture at 200%.  This one used the 2X TC...

And just for fun, the first image resized 1.4x with Gigapixel AI
And just for fun, the first image resized 1.4x wit...
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And the 1st image resized 2x
And the 1st image resized 2x...
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Apr 26, 2022 19:11:42   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
The 1 hour timer ran out and I cropped (not accurately) the two Gigapixel AI results just so they can be visualized better.

Due to the source image not being that great to work with, the detail is not what I would expect it to be. But you can see how Gigapixel AI improved over the 2x TC that the camera can do.

I expect CIZ on the Sony RX10IV to be better than I see on the Canon SX50

Gigapixel AI 1.4x
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Gigapixel AI 2x
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Apr 27, 2022 21:00:35   #
hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Bill_de wrote:
Sony "Clear Image Zoom"

I Googled "CIZ in photography".

Sometimes Google gives answers quicker than UHH.

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And sometimes more accurate....

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Apr 30, 2022 06:29:55   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
a6k wrote:
These 4 pics were shot on full auto so that the CIZ would work. Two were with my a6500 and FE 70-200 F4 and two with my RX10m4.

These are all SOOC JPG's, of course. I used the "quality" setting that gives the largest JPG in all cases. The distance is about 400'. The time was after 10 am and before noon, sky somewhat clear, Detroit area but not inside the air pollution bubble/dome. The a6500 shots were actually about an hour later.

One RX10m4 shot was at 600 mm equivalent and the other is full-on CIZ so 1200 mm. The exposure is nearly perfect if you consider that the brightest white on the railing is just a hair under 250 on my Mac's Digital Color Meter. The white cover on the porch awning is 255,255,255 on that meter.

The other two shots were the a6500 FE70-200 at 200 mm physically which is equivalent to 300 mm and with CIZ to show equivalent 600 mm. It's a manual zoom lens. The camera has a user-setting to invoke the CIZ and the "hat switch" is used to move from 1X to 2X continuously variable. This is not anywhere near as easy as with the RX10m4.

Now all you pixel peepers and download zealots should have something to work with. As most of you know, the RX10m4 sensor is a "one inch" size and the a6500 is a 1.5x crop frame.

Both shots include normal architecture as well as a bit of nature's shapes. The sky conditions between pairs changed a little.

The EXIF's will give the details but if you can't read them let me know and I will respond with screen captures of them.

A note of observation: Each pair has smaller file sizes for the CIZ version. But since the 2X zoom would be expected to include only 25% of the image area the logical explanation is that Sony is doing a lot of very interesting stuff with CIZ. The EXIF says the pixel dimensions of the shot are the same with and without CIZ. Sony is filling in the spaces, I guess.

I measured a distance on the images on one pair with and without CIZ and as I expected, the linear dimension on the CIZ version was about 0.5X. That means the CIZ image area is .25X. I also measured an object on the CIZ version of the a6500 (600 mm) and the non-CIZ version of the RX10m4 (600) and the sizes were almost exactly the same. So in this case, 600=600.
These 4 pics were shot on full auto so that the CI... (show quote)


I suspect that Topaz, On1 and other software publishers have resizing and image enhancement applications that produce a much better result than CIZ, and you retain all the autofocus capability, and can apply the resizing to a raw file, so the photographer has more flexibility.

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May 1, 2022 11:17:38   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
Gene51 wrote:
I suspect that Topaz, On1 and other software publishers have resizing and image enhancement applications that produce a much better result than CIZ, and you retain all the autofocus capability, and can apply the resizing to a raw file, so the photographer has more flexibility.


I agree. But CIZ doesn’t interfere with AF or exposure control as far as I know. I only use it for video.

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May 1, 2022 13:45:14   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
a6k wrote:
I agree. But CIZ doesn’t interfere with AF or exposure control as far as I know. I only use it for video.


Correct. CIZ does not interfere with AF or exposure.

And it is great for video since the shortcomings cannot be seen as easily. Works great for wildlife movies.

For stills, external resizing programs can produce better results on certain scenes where there is a lot of fine detail. On less extreme images, CIZ is just fine.

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May 5, 2022 11:36:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
a6k wrote:
I agree. But CIZ doesn’t interfere with AF or exposure control as far as I know. I only use it for video.


Actually it does significantly limit the options for focus area settings and metering mode. AF area only works with the center point which expands to almost full sensor area, and metering mode defaults to [Multi].

In addition, you can't use it with the Drive mode set to Cont Shooting, Spd Priority Cont, or Bracket Cont. It also prevents the use of Face Detection, or when ISO set to multi frame Noise Reduction.

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May 5, 2022 19:05:22   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
Gene51 wrote:
Actually it does significantly limit the options for focus area settings and metering mode. AF area only works with the center point which expands to almost full sensor area, and metering mode defaults to [Multi].

In addition, you can't use it with the Drive mode set to Cont Shooting, Spd Priority Cont, or Bracket Cont. It also prevents the use of Face Detection, or when ISO set to multi frame Noise Reduction.


Gene, thanks for that. I'm sure many UHH readers will benefit from that very detailed explanation.

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