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Apr 1, 2022 10:41:41   #
GeneB Loc: Chattanooga Tennessee
 
usnret wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart today. As usual there was a long line at the checkout register. I noticed that the guy behind me was wearing a USMC ball cap. I asked him about the places he served, length of service, etc. I was taken aback by some of his answers. Said he served in the special forces in Nam, Cambodia, Okinawa, North Korea (huh), Japan(huh), Somalia (huh) and a bucket list of other places. I noticed that he looked to be about 50. ??. I asked him what all citations he received. When he mentioned the two purple hearts and a trident I knew this was a bad case of stolen valor. Seems to me there ought to be a law against it.
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Point him out to a real vet. It will be taken care of.

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Apr 1, 2022 10:50:15   #
Dannj
 
TriX wrote:
Dennis, if you served in the honor guard at funerals for those KIA, I think you had the toughest job in the military.

US Army DaNang, RVN ‘68-‘69


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Apr 1, 2022 10:50:59   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
pendennis wrote:
You served. Period. I was also a reservist who did active duty in the Navy Reserve and did a total of ten years. Your reasoning is nobody's business but yours.

Most Army reservists I know did at least six months active duty as part of their obligation. So you owe no one an apology for your terms of service. You also faced the possibility of being called up individually, or en masse, in case of national emergency. The same is true for NG/ANG personnel and units. My former boss was a Colonel in the Army Reserves. He was called up for the first Gulf War, and came home with permanent physical ailments. So much for not being committed.

In personal history, I knew several National Guardsmen whose units were called up for service during the Viet Nam War. I was attending business college with four of them who were killed in country. I attended their funerals, and nobody ever questioned their commitment to their country. I still shed tears for them to this day.

Thank you for your service.
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Very well said. I was in the Guard. As I was finishing active duty basics & school, we were told to expect to be sent to Israel/ Palenstine as war had broke out (6 day war; they didn’t know how long it would last originally). Obviously did not end up going,

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Apr 1, 2022 10:56:11   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
RoswellAlien wrote:
I, too, am Vietnam era (67-68 Navy aviation electronics tech, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club) and will always make it very clear I was never in-country. The two experiences are worlds apart. I have real disgust for the liars and fakers and salute those who were really there.


You can still call yourself a Viet Nam vet. The VA now recognizes those who served on ships off the coast of VN for special circumstances when it comes to health benefits. The problems a lot of Nam vets have due to agent orange have been recognized as also effecting people like you. Due to the winds blowing the agent over the Navy ships in the waters off VN. You may not have been "boots on the ground" but you are still a VN veteran.

USMC 1/3/Charlie, Da Nang 1971

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Apr 1, 2022 11:05:07   #
Stephan G
 
usnret wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart today. As usual there was a long line at the checkout register. I noticed that the guy behind me was wearing a USMC ball cap. I asked him about the places he served, length of service, etc. I was taken aback by some of his answers. Said he served in the special forces in Nam, Cambodia, Okinawa, North Korea (huh), Japan(huh), Somalia (huh) and a bucket list of other places. I noticed that he looked to be about 50. ??. I asked him what all citations he received. When he mentioned the two purple hearts and a trident I knew this was a bad case of stolen valor. Seems to me there ought to be a law against it.
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Anyone can wear whatever baseball cap they want with whatever glop is available. It is their right and qualifies under the freedom of speech and self expression. For someone to make assumptions that by wearing military insignias the individual was is some combat venue is a violation of that freedom, like it or not. People are free to make whatever stories they want, it is their right to freedom of self-expression.

There are a lot of people who were in the services that make even more grandiose claims. Again, their freedom for self-expression.

Bit of trivia, I was in a ready-strike group. I was given the Viet Nam service medal (1969). It was demanded back later by the DoD at the behest of Congress, who decided to narrow the requirements to get the medal. In that time, I still had only one hour to get into the barracks to get my gear and weapons, to be ready to fly to Viet Nam, ready for battle. Though many ranking officers took flights over Viet Nam to get their Viet Nam service medal, without setting any part of their boots on that soil.

I did miss out on a Purple Heart because I was not in a combat zone when bled. But that was another situation in which recognition by the DoD was (and is) highly skewed. (I was armed, in performance of duty, and put into a potentially fatal situation in which I was lucky to come out with minor injuries. 3 of the 4 requisites. Not in a "4. Declared Combat zone".)

As for "Stolen Valor" law noted above, two things. One, the person has to be in the military and, two, doing it as a scam for something of value, such as cash. (No. 45 qualifies as such person, legally. The "wiggle room" is that he is no longer in the "service". He was subject to the UCMJ, at that.)

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Apr 1, 2022 11:14:40   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
usnret wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart today. As usual there was a long line at the checkout register. I noticed that the guy behind me was wearing a USMC ball cap. I asked him about the places he served, length of service, etc. I was taken aback by some of his answers. Said he served in the special forces in Nam, Cambodia, Okinawa, North Korea (huh), Japan(huh), Somalia (huh) and a bucket list of other places. I noticed that he looked to be about 50. ??. I asked him what all citations he received. When he mentioned the two purple hearts and a trident I knew this was a bad case of stolen valor. Seems to me there ought to be a law against it.
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I think that I would have changed lines since there was a high probability of a lightning strike in his immediate area.
JimmyT Sends
U. S. Army, Truck Driver
RSVN 68-69

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Apr 1, 2022 11:48:02   #
pendennis
 
Stephan G wrote:
Anyone can wear whatever baseball cap they want with whatever glop is available. It is their right and qualifies under the freedom of speech and self expression. For someone to make assumptions that by wearing military insignias the individual was is some combat venue is a violation of that freedom, like it or not. People are free to make whatever stories they want, it is their right to freedom of self-expression.

There are a lot of people who were in the services that make even more grandiose claims. Again, their freedom for self-expression.

Bit of trivia, I was in a ready-strike group. I was given the Viet Nam service medal (1969). It was demanded back later by the DoD at the behest of Congress, who decided to narrow the requirements to get the medal. In that time, I still had only one hour to get into the barracks to get my gear and weapons, to be ready to fly to Viet Nam, ready for battle. Though many ranking officers took flights over Viet Nam to get their Viet Nam service medal, without setting any part of their boots on that soil.

I did miss out on a Purple Heart because I was not in a combat zone when bled. But that was another situation in which recognition by the DoD was (and is) highly skewed. (I was armed, in performance of duty, and put into a potentially fatal situation in which I was lucky to come out with minor injuries. 3 of the 4 requisites. Not in a "4. Declared Combat zone".)

As for "Stolen Valor" law noted above, two things. One, the person has to be in the military and, two, doing it as a scam for something of value, such as cash. (No. 45 qualifies as such person, legally. The "wiggle room" is that he is no longer in the "service". He was subject to the UCMJ, at that.)
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There's a true story about LBJ when he served in the Navy during WWII. Seems he was assigned to an air mission in the Pacific, but the aircraft developed problems before take off, so he didn't go. Due to the mix-up, the folks on that aborted flight were awarded the Silver Star. LBJ didn't have the b@!!s to demure.

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Apr 1, 2022 12:32:32   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Bridges wrote:
You can still call yourself a Viet Nam vet. The VA now recognizes those who served on ships off the coast of VN for special circumstances when it comes to health benefits. The problems a lot of Nam vets have due to agent orange have been recognized as also effecting people like you. Due to the winds blowing the agent over the Navy ships in the waters off VN. You may not have been "boots on the ground" but you are still a VN veteran.

USMC 1/3/Charlie, Da Nang 1971


Monkey Mountain 1972-USAF.

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Apr 1, 2022 12:39:55   #
skip_m Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
I served 57-59 mostly in Alaska enjoyed it a looong time ago Skip

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Apr 1, 2022 12:40:18   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Monkey Mountain 1972-USAF.


When I was there, we went up to Monkey Mountain to work on the fire control for the Hawk missile battery there. The Marines there actually had a pet monkey. Here’s an image of him.



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Apr 1, 2022 12:53:24   #
Stephan G
 
Dannj wrote:
Stuff like this really pisses me off.
Sen. Blumenthal of Connecticut in his 2010 campaign falsely claimed on several occasions that he had served in Vietnam. He never left the States. He’s still in the Senate.
As a USMC Vet who served during the Vietnam ERA, if military service comes up in a conversation I make it very clear that I spent no time in country. I am proud of my service but I have too much respect for my fellow Vets who went to Nam to take credit for what they endured and in too many cases still endure.
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For the record. Viet Nam was not a war with the USA. It was a "Police Action under the auspices of the United Nations". The phrase was the basis for denying any person in the US military that was not sent over to Viet Nam, specifically, Viet Nam recognition. AKA Political Word Play. The same scenario with Korea in the 1950s.

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Apr 1, 2022 13:29:27   #
Dannj
 
Stephan G wrote:
Anyone can wear whatever baseball cap they want with whatever glop is available. It is their right and qualifies under the freedom of speech and self expression. For someone to make assumptions that by wearing military insignias the individual was is some combat venue is a violation of that freedom, like it or not. People are free to make whatever stories they want, it is their right to freedom of self-expression.

There are a lot of people who were in the services that make even more grandiose claims. Again, their freedom for self-expression.

Bit of trivia, I was in a ready-strike group. I was given the Viet Nam service medal (1969). It was demanded back later by the DoD at the behest of Congress, who decided to narrow the requirements to get the medal. In that time, I still had only one hour to get into the barracks to get my gear and weapons, to be ready to fly to Viet Nam, ready for battle. Though many ranking officers took flights over Viet Nam to get their Viet Nam service medal, without setting any part of their boots on that soil.

I did miss out on a Purple Heart because I was not in a combat zone when bled. But that was another situation in which recognition by the DoD was (and is) highly skewed. (I was armed, in performance of duty, and put into a potentially fatal situation in which I was lucky to come out with minor injuries. 3 of the 4 requisites. Not in a "4. Declared Combat zone".)

As for "Stolen Valor" law noted above, two things. One, the person has to be in the military and, two, doing it as a scam for something of value, such as cash. (No. 45 qualifies as such person, legally. The "wiggle room" is that he is no longer in the "service". He was subject to the UCMJ, at that.)
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There’s no way you will convince me that “freedom of self expression” includes lying. And if the lying is done by a former military person the offense is compounded. Through every stage of my Marine Corps service, integrity was the foundation. No exceptions.

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Apr 1, 2022 14:02:57   #
KillroyII Loc: Middle Georgia
 
usnret wrote:
Went to Wal-Mart today. As usual there was a long line at the checkout register. I noticed that the guy behind me was wearing a USMC ball cap. I asked him about the places he served, length of service, etc. I was taken aback by some of his answers. Said he served in the special forces in Nam, Cambodia, Okinawa, North Korea (huh), Japan(huh), Somalia (huh) and a bucket list of other places. I noticed that he looked to be about 50. ??. I asked him what all citations he received. When he mentioned the two purple hearts and a trident I knew this was a bad case of stolen valor. Seems to me there ought to be a law against it.
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I wonder if it is a WalMart thing.

I was in country in 65/66 but chose not to obtain a cap indicating that... until a friend, that was with me in Vietnam, had one made for me. I wore it often, until there were 2 occasions in WalMart where someone started a conversations and were OBVIOUSLY lying. I was uncomfortable listening to them drone on with spectacular lies. I don’t think I was angry but felt sorry for people whose lives were such that they needed to lie.

I don’t wear that cap as often now, and never in WalMart any more.

My wife is the only person I share any details, about things that still bother me, with. I don’t even share at VA medical visits (I am 100% P/T)... which I only go to, to get some of the associated benefits (glasses & hearing aids).

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Apr 1, 2022 14:06:14   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Dannj wrote:
There’s no way you will convince me that “freedom of self expression” includes lying. And if the lying is done by a former military person the offense is compounded. Through every stage of my Marine Corps service, integrity was the foundation. No exceptions.



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Apr 1, 2022 14:09:12   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
While I am sure that you felt some sort of connection with him being that you are ex USMC as well, it really dosn't give you the right to start asking a complete stranger questions. He may have been giving you all that BS because he didn't want to be bothered by a complete stranger.

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