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Mar 23, 2022 11:24:25   #
richmondmlr
 
I was ask if I can make my photographs commercial. How do you copyright your work? It is just one? Can you cover all your work. I’m not sure how this works.

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Mar 23, 2022 11:48:52   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
the copyright office has much literature explaining it. see:
www.copyright.gov

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Mar 23, 2022 12:03:00   #
richmondmlr
 
Thanks

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Mar 23, 2022 12:21:28   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
It costs money and I would save the money till you get famous.

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Mar 23, 2022 12:24:14   #
richmondmlr
 
Yes it does, I have a artist asking this. He wants to paint one of my photos and put it in a Gallery and art shows

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Mar 23, 2022 12:42:58   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Sorry, I thought this was about Copyrighting not selling your rights.

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Mar 23, 2022 14:21:43   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
richmondmlr wrote:
I was ask if I can make my photographs commercial. How do you copyright your work? It is just one? Can you cover all your work. I’m not sure how this works.


Copyright itself is automatic and you own the rights of your photos, unless you:
... sign an agreement saying otherwise.
... are employed as staff photographer, in which case the employer owns the rights.
... sell or give away your copyright ownership.
... are shooting under certain conditions in some countries.

Copyright REGISTRATION is a method of protecting your rights.

You already own the copyright of any photo you have taken (assuming none of the above) and if someone uses it without your permission, you can demand they stop using it and potentially go to small claims court to sue them for market value of the usage.

Once a copyright has been registered, if someone uses the photo without your permission you can demand they stop using it and go to federal court to sue them for market value of the usage PLUS your legal costs PLUS various penalties (for example, a court can award up to $30,000 US per instance for deliberate removal of copyright protections, such as removing a watermark or deleting EXIF data).

Basically it comes down to is with unregistered work you're on your own, no legal assistance (unless you pay for it out of your pocket), you will need to pay any and all court costs, and at best will only require a minimal amount.

In contrast a registered work can mean substantially larger sums of money awarded to you for infringement, you can likely get legal assistance and representation (very possibly on a contingency basis if you have a strong case where you don't have to pay up front... your attorney gets paid by the infringing party via the court's award). The infringing party will also be responsible for paying any court costs you incur. This is all in addition to whatever the court decides to award you for usage AND to penalize the infringer.

There are several ways to register your copyright. You can load digital thumbnails onto a DVD or thumb drive. Last time I checked, it can be as many as you can fit onto the medium, possibly thousands of images, under a one-time registration fee. It also is possible to upload the image directly, but I believe there is a limit to the number of images (still, it's some hundreds of them IIRC).

To be fully protected... i.e., fully eligible for all the possible awards noted above... images MUST be registered 90 days or less after the date of first publication. Prolific photographers might just do a batch registration of their "keepers" four times a year. Others who shoot less might only need to do so annually, but may want to prioritize any images that are published.

There is almost NEVER any good reason to sell or give away your copyright. Almost all legitimate usage can be handled through a LICENSING agreement.

In your case you have been asked by an artist who wants to do a derivative work based upon one of your photos. You need to know what they intend to do with their painting, once it's completed. If they merely want to hang it on their own wall, display in shows and don't anticipate selling their work, you might give them permission without any payment or for a $5 or $10 Starbucks gift card... or whatever seems fair to you. If they plan to sell the work you need to know what they will be charging and may need to adjust what they pay to license the usage. If they plan for their painting to be the basis for posters that will be sold in the tens or hundreds of thousands all over the world, you should be charging quite a bit more for the usage license (and they in turn should be licensing the usage of their painting with similar terms).

The license should be a written agreement between the two of you. It also can specify a length of time of the usage... starting and ending dates or X days or months or years from the date of the license. It also can restrict the distribution to a certain area such as a country or a region like "N. America"... or allow worldwide usage.

The license should state that it is single use, or whatever you agree upon. And it should specify it's non-transferable, that they can't turn around and license usage of your image to someone else (this can occur... such as a news service that re-distributes images through it's wire services). Finally, it should state that no transfer of ownership is intended or implied, that the copyright remains yours and any usage other than what's been specified requires a separate, written license and permission.

There are options under a license for you to give them exclusive usage for some period of time (probably not necessary here) and if you with you can give them option of first right of renewal, possibly at a reduced fee (to encourage future business from them).

I ain't a lawyer, just a photographer who occasionally has to deal with these things. You may wish to consult a lawyer because there may be some other things for you to consider, perhaps due to where you live and work. There also are some books about licensing and pricing photos and photo services.

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Mar 23, 2022 21:12:10   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Copyright itself is automatic and you own the rights of your photos, unless you:
... sign an agreement saying otherwise.
... are employed as a staff photographer, in which case the employer owns the rights.
... sell or give away your copyright ownership.
... are shooting under certain conditions in some countries.

Copyright REGISTRATION is a method of protecting your rights.

You already own the copyright of any photo you have taken (assuming none of the above) and if someone uses it without your permission, you can demand they stop using it and potentially go to small claims court to sue them for the market value of the usage.

Once copyright has been registered, if someone uses the photo without your permission you can demand they stop using it and go to federal court to sue them for the market value of the usage PLUS your legal costs PLUS various penalties (for example, a court can award up to $30,000 US per instance for deliberate removal of copyright protections, such as removing a watermark or deleting EXIF data).

Basically it comes down to is with unregistered work you're on your own, no legal assistance (unless you pay for it out of your pocket), you will need to pay any and all court costs, and at best will only require a minimal amount.

In contrast, a registered work can mean substantially larger sums of money awarded to you for infringement, you can likely get legal assistance and representation (very possibly on a contingency basis if you have a strong case where you don't have to pay upfront... your attorney gets paid by the infringing party via the court's award). The infringing party will also be responsible for paying any court costs you incur. This is all in addition to whatever the court decides to award you for usage AND to penalize the infringer.

There are several ways to register your copyright. You can load digital thumbnails onto a DVD or thumb drive. The last time I checked, it can be as many as you can fit onto the medium, possibly thousands of images, under a one-time registration fee. It also is possible to upload the image directly, but I believe there is a limit to the number of images (still, it's some hundreds of them IIRC).

To be fully protected... i.e., fully eligible for all the possible awards noted above... images MUST be registered 90 days or less after the date of first publication. Prolific photographers might just do a batch registration of their "keepers" four times a year. Others who shoot less might only need to do so annually but may want to prioritize any images that are published.

There is almost NEVER any good reason to sell or give away your copyright. Almost all legitimate usage can be handled through a LICENSING agreement.

In your case, you have been asked by an artist who wants to do a derivative work based upon one of your photos. You need to know what they intend to do with their painting, once it's completed. If they merely want to hang it on their own wall, display it in shows and don't anticipate selling their work, you might give them permission without any payment or for a $5 or $10 Starbucks gift card... or whatever seems fair to you. If they plan to sell the work you need to know what they will be charging and may need to adjust what they pay to license the usage. If they plan for their painting to be the basis for posters that will be sold in the tens or hundreds of thousands all over the world, you should be charging quite a bit more for the usage license (and they, in turn, should be licensing the usage of their painting with similar terms).

The license should be a written agreement between the two of you. It also can specify a length of time of the usage... starting and ending dates or X days or months or years from the date of the license. It also can restrict the distribution to a certain area such as a country or a region like "N. America"... or allow worldwide usage.

The license should state that it is single-use, or whatever you agree upon. And it should specify it's non-transferable, that they can't turn around and license usage of your image to someone else (this can occur... such as a news service that re-distributes images through its wire services). Finally, it should state that no transfer of ownership is intended or implied, that the copyright remains yours and any usage other than what's been specified requires a separate, written license and permission.

There are options under a license for you to give them exclusive usage for some period of time (probably not necessary here) and if you wish you can give the option of first right of renewal, possibly at a reduced fee (to encourage future business from them).

I ain't a lawyer, just a photographer who occasionally has to deal with these things. You may wish to consult a lawyer because there may be some other things for you to consider, perhaps due to where you live and work. There also are some books about licensing and pricing photos and photo services.
Copyright itself is automatic and you own the righ... (show quote)




Just about everything mentioned in this post is in my standard contract forms. If the OP is actually going into business as a commercial photograher, he should consult with a lawyer who specials in copyright, intellectual property and patent law. I did that many years ago when I was reorganizing my contract forms and policies. Everything Amphoto wrote is correct.

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Mar 24, 2022 08:00:15   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
richmondmlr wrote:
I was ask if I can make my photographs commercial. How do you copyright your work? It is just one? Can you cover all your work. I’m not sure how this works.


When I did that my copyright was part of the file, I update this every year. I used to sell "one time use" and never sold the copyright of my images.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.

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Mar 25, 2022 12:13:07   #
MDI Mainer
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Copyright itself is automatic and you own the rights of your photos, unless you:
... sign an agreement saying otherwise.
... are employed as staff photographer, in which case the employer owns the rights.
... sell or give away your copyright ownership.
... are shooting under certain conditions in some countries.

Copyright REGISTRATION is a method of protecting your rights.

You already own the copyright of any photo you have taken (assuming none of the above) and if someone uses it without your permission, you can demand they stop using it and potentially go to small claims court to sue them for market value of the usage.

Once a copyright has been registered, if someone uses the photo without your permission you can demand they stop using it and go to federal court to sue them for market value of the usage PLUS your legal costs PLUS various penalties (for example, a court can award up to $30,000 US per instance for deliberate removal of copyright protections, such as removing a watermark or deleting EXIF data).

Basically it comes down to is with unregistered work you're on your own, no legal assistance (unless you pay for it out of your pocket), you will need to pay any and all court costs, and at best will only require a minimal amount.

In contrast a registered work can mean substantially larger sums of money awarded to you for infringement, you can likely get legal assistance and representation (very possibly on a contingency basis if you have a strong case where you don't have to pay up front... your attorney gets paid by the infringing party via the court's award). The infringing party will also be responsible for paying any court costs you incur. This is all in addition to whatever the court decides to award you for usage AND to penalize the infringer.

There are several ways to register your copyright. You can load digital thumbnails onto a DVD or thumb drive. Last time I checked, it can be as many as you can fit onto the medium, possibly thousands of images, under a one-time registration fee. It also is possible to upload the image directly, but I believe there is a limit to the number of images (still, it's some hundreds of them IIRC).

To be fully protected... i.e., fully eligible for all the possible awards noted above... images MUST be registered 90 days or less after the date of first publication. Prolific photographers might just do a batch registration of their "keepers" four times a year. Others who shoot less might only need to do so annually, but may want to prioritize any images that are published.

There is almost NEVER any good reason to sell or give away your copyright. Almost all legitimate usage can be handled through a LICENSING agreement.

In your case you have been asked by an artist who wants to do a derivative work based upon one of your photos. You need to know what they intend to do with their painting, once it's completed. If they merely want to hang it on their own wall, display in shows and don't anticipate selling their work, you might give them permission without any payment or for a $5 or $10 Starbucks gift card... or whatever seems fair to you. If they plan to sell the work you need to know what they will be charging and may need to adjust what they pay to license the usage. If they plan for their painting to be the basis for posters that will be sold in the tens or hundreds of thousands all over the world, you should be charging quite a bit more for the usage license (and they in turn should be licensing the usage of their painting with similar terms).

The license should be a written agreement between the two of you. It also can specify a length of time of the usage... starting and ending dates or X days or months or years from the date of the license. It also can restrict the distribution to a certain area such as a country or a region like "N. America"... or allow worldwide usage.

The license should state that it is single use, or whatever you agree upon. And it should specify it's non-transferable, that they can't turn around and license usage of your image to someone else (this can occur... such as a news service that re-distributes images through it's wire services). Finally, it should state that no transfer of ownership is intended or implied, that the copyright remains yours and any usage other than what's been specified requires a separate, written license and permission.

There are options under a license for you to give them exclusive usage for some period of time (probably not necessary here) and if you with you can give them option of first right of renewal, possibly at a reduced fee (to encourage future business from them).

I ain't a lawyer, just a photographer who occasionally has to deal with these things. You may wish to consult a lawyer because there may be some other things for you to consider, perhaps due to where you live and work. There also are some books about licensing and pricing photos and photo services.
Copyright itself is automatic and you own the righ... (show quote)


Basically it comes down to is with unregistered work you're on your own, no legal assistance (unless you pay for it out of your pocket), you will need to pay any and all court costs, and at best will only require a minimal amount.

This is not quite right. Without registration of the copyright you cannot maintain any action in court for financial compensation, period.

Absent registration you are limited to seeking redress under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which means that a website which displays your image without your permission can be required to stop displaying the image.

However there will be, starting sometime in 2022, a "small claims" remedy for up to $30,000 before the Copyright Claims Board under the CASE Act, which became law in 2020. But access to that new remedy will also require registration:

To bring a claim with the CCB, you will need to either (1) have a registration from the Copyright Office for the work(s) at issue or (2) have filed an application with the Copyright Office to register the work(s) at issue either before or simultaneously with filing a claim with the CCB.

This is different than what federal courts require. In federal lawsuits, you cannot rely only on an application. Instead, you need to have a registration (or a refusal) from the Copyright Office before you can bring your case. Additionally, federal courts allow you to bring a case based on an application that the Copyright Office refused, but the CCB will dismiss a case if the application is refused.


https://www.copyright.gov/about/small-claims/faq.html

https://www.copyright.gov/about/small-claims/quick-facts.pdf

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