Hospital Photography (Page 3): They will get something for nothing which is unethical. They will avoid costs of an interior decorator. Have they offered to include your name with all...

anotherview Loc: California

They will get something for nothing which is unethical. They will avoid costs of an interior decorator. Have they offered to include your name with all exhibits? Will you require some kind of agreement by which you remain the owner of the exhibits with all copyrights?

Put another way, would a medical professional perform medical services for free? If not, then why should you provide your artwork for nothing tangible in return?

It is your call if you decide to contribute your artwork to another without any compensation.

Jklovell wrote:

I know what you mean. I AM very delighted. I wouldn’t take a dime if it would make them any less likely to use any more of my images.

joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ

I would include my signature and email contact on the photos in a fancy watermark. You can create an email account to cover them both, e.g. jklovell.photos@hotmail.com.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

One last time...you need to resolve the employee-employer ramifications first. Depending on what happens with that, it may or may not be feasible and necessary to move on to all these other considerations.

ELNikkor

Your photography, which up to now seems to be a hobby, may be about to become a business. If they just bought 4 hospitals, they are doing well, and could well want your work on those hospital walls as well. After a year, they may want to start putting replacing them all with new images. If you put your name on the prints, patients and families may start ordering your photography. Choosing, printing, mounting etc. all those photos will soon become more than just a past-time. If you want to continue working your day-job, I agree with others that you will have to "order out" all the printing and framing. The hospital has a budget for wall decorations, so don't be afraid to charge fair market prices, with a "friendly discount" for your employer. Good luck, it is nice to have your work recognized!

Hip Coyote

You are up against a time crunch with a meeting tomorrow. As others have noted, this is a bigger project with far more issues than you, your manager, directors or so called upper management may have considered. The photos were not created in the course and scope of your employment so they are your work product that you own. To me, this is no different than if the director saw that you made beautiful cabinets in your off time and wanted you to build an entertainment center in the coffee room.

As noted, there are legal issues, ethical issues, financial issues, recognition issues. Those cannot be dealt with in the next 24 hours. I recommend that you do the walk through to get a sense of what their desires are for your art work, not make any promises, and then do a follow up meeting once you have the legal, ethical, etc figured out.

I would be very careful not to allow them to let you have some compensated time to do any part of this which would further muddy the water. In the end, an invoice, agreement, etc need to be drawn up. Your copyright must be protected, you deserve recognition, compensation etc.

Good luck...

Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket

ELNikkor wrote:

Your photography, which up to now seems to be a ho... (show quote)

I agree. Here is a great opportunity for you. If you are going to do this, you need to impress the hospital that this is being done professionally from the start and is not just an afterthought to address details that committees will make a big deal about. Proactive detailing of things they aren’t thinking about will make you a star.

You need to provide them a very well written, professional proposal that details All aspects that they will need to consider.

I wrote such a proposal for an OEM, which I would be happy to provide to you. Table of contents includes:

Confidentiality Agreement
Scope of work
Services provided
Materials used
Pricing structure and terms
Time frame
Insurance and references

I’m pretty good at this stuff and would be happy to lend a hand, if you like. I have been writing and presenting complex proposals to major corporations for 40 years.
Just let me know.
RL

Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket

Hip Coyote wrote:

You are up against a time crunch with a meeting tomorrow. Those cannot be dealt with in the next 24 hours. I recommend that you do the walk through to get a sense of what their desires are for your art work, not make any promises, and then do a follow up meeting once you have the legal, ethical, etc figured out.

Excellent: use this as an opportunity. If you can attend the meeting, explain that you want to understand the total scope of what they are looking for, you want to see all areas that they would like to have art work in. Tell them once that is known, you will be able to provide a full and comprehensive proposal outlining all aspects of the project. You have an in, you are not asking for much other than all through and a meeting. Sounds like you are positioned well. Play this right and you have a new business. Happy to help you brainstorm and document, if you think I can help.

bobbydvideo

You should be paid for your work. If you don't ask they will continue to "use" you for future shoots. Just go to whoever is in charge and "tell" them you have to be paid for your work. Hospitals have a budget for this. I am not a nurse but I shot a video for the burn victims unit and also a video on breast feeding for the same hospital.

retap

I have a suggestion. There is some satisfaction in having ones images displayed and appreciated especially in the setting you described. If copyright is not an issue, present them with a properly edited jpeg and a small image that the hospital can have enlarged and mounted and installed on their dime. Whether you name the image and ask that it appears along with credit to you is up to you.

Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket

retap wrote:

I have a suggestion. There is some satisfaction in having ones images displayed and appreciated especially in the setting you described. If copyright is not an issue, present them with a properly edited jpeg and a small image that the hospital can have enlarged and mounted and installed on their dime. Whether you name the image and ask that it appears along with credit to you is up to you.

I don’t necessarily agree. I don’t think the hospital will go to such lengths to produce the art work themselves from files. Approach it like that, it opens up doors to all others who provide interior design services. They will profit, not J. He has the inside track right now and I think that if J wants to see if he can make a business out of this, he has the opportunity, now. It would be heartwarming for him to walk into the hospital every day and see his artwork adorning the walls. Others will also enjoy it.

J, play this right, should you want to, it’s a slam dunk for you. You enjoy photography and you’re affiliated with the hospital, what better way for them to promote from within. It’s a win/win.

You can also get others within the hospital to provide photos and manage the curation, printing and installations. Make it a real community thing. I would even partner with you. We can make a business together out of this.

Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana

Jklovell wrote:

I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer... (show quote)

Is it a for-profit or a NFP hospital?

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

Of course you should get paid. As a photographer peddling my work to just such places, it's quite discouraging to have other photographers provide their work for free when I have to get paid for mine. Unless you're offering your work for sale somehow and using their walls as an exhibition space, you should charge what any pro photographer would charge. The fact that you're an employee does create a sticky wicket. Do you have a studio name for your photography? If so, it can go through that name as a vendor to the hospital. Charging at least double your cost is sort of "normal," but not necessarily the only way to define your charges.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

Jklovell wrote:

I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer... (show quote)

I would not give them any photos. Download a price sheet from Bay photo and suggest metal prints, and as someone already said, charge them double. I would also how am attorney to draw up contact, starting out is a purchase of print only, for display, no other rights do they get. You can download their Roes app and order from it on your computer.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Jklovell wrote:

I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer... (show quote)

The simplest solution would be to take a look at how much the hospital charges for its services and base your pricing on that. An 8.5 X 11" should sell for about $12,000, but a 5 x 7 would be a bargain at $7,000.

"Selling" photos for free is never a good idea. There have been many posts about that here.

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

Jklovell wrote:

I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer... (show quote)

Start by asking them if they are willing to cover your costs for printer use, ink, and paper. If not they are using you. I am a retired Physician and have seen this too many times.