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Feb 24, 2022 15:13:55   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Thanks to the internet, I would download and read thru the entire manual before I decide whether I would buy the camera.


hahaha! 100% correct! Last year, before I decided to buy a "beloved" D7200, I spent several months to read forums ans reviews and User's guide of the camera! So, the day i decided to buy it, I was aware what is possible and what not...Everyone is different...

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Feb 24, 2022 16:28:14   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
It’s one of the things I don’t like about an EVF. I’m indoors with my Fuji shooting manual with a flash and of course the viewfinder is too dark to compose. I change the menu from exposure simulation mode, and the next time I use the camera in normal lighting (manual again), the first few shots are overexposed because I didn’t turn it on. Fortunately I “chimp” regularly and realized the issue, but still sort of a PIA. One answer is for the EVF to automatically to turn off exposure simulation when a flash is enabled and revert when the flash is off. Not an issue with an OVF.

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Feb 24, 2022 18:44:31   #
User ID
 
Dan' de Bourgogne wrote:
oh yes...absolutly...when I know what will happen, I do also preset my gear according the expected shooting conditions. The problem I had is probably more laying in the fact , certain members of our photo club are just waiting to get a kind of training "how to use their gear"...they believe the club should be a school where they will learn photography...because reading the user's guide is for a lot of people something like "boring"! In fact, sometimes it is
oh yes...absolutly...when I know what will happen,... (show quote)

“Learning Photography” is one thing and learning the gear is yet another thing. Knowing, or learning, that cameras have two very different viewing modes is not “learning photography”.

It’s akin to learning to watch the rewind knob to confirm that a 35mm cassette is properly loaded. You could know your photography inside out, with roll film and cut film, yet your first roll of 35mm could be 36 blanks cuz the film wasn’t properly hooked up.

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Feb 25, 2022 06:03:09   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Change the EVF mode. Exposure Simulation set to disable. Page 249 of the manual.
(I don't have the camera just down load the manual).
I think people who bought mirrorless camera should know about this feature before buying it.


Like you just did, when I'm interested (window shopping) in a potential camera, I download the manual & breeze through it, then again & again. Nic e to see some of the features or lack thereof beforehand.

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Feb 25, 2022 08:42:07   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
BebuLamar is correct. Exposure simulation allows the viewfinder to show correct brightness as per your exposure settings. If you’re shooting flash in the studio for instance, your settings will usually be several stops below ambient exposure, so the viewfinder will appear dark. Turning off exposure simulation allows the view screen to mimic ambient light regardless of settings. I believe this won’t occur if you use a dedicated canon flash, only for manual flashes synced from the hot shoe (R6) or pc socket on the R5.
BebuLamar is correct. Exposure simulation allows t... (show quote)


yep BebuLamar is right

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Feb 25, 2022 09:41:08   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Change the EVF mode. Exposure Simulation set to disable. Page 249 of the manual.
(I don't have the camera just down load the manual).
I think people who bought mirrorless camera should know about this feature before buying it.


I’ve assigned it to a function button. I turn it on and off all the time.

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Feb 25, 2022 09:53:43   #
BebuLamar
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
I’ve assigned it to a function button. I turn it on and off all the time.


I think I would have to do that too if I use a mirrorless camera but I don't have a mirrorless camera.

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Feb 25, 2022 10:12:26   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
I’ve assigned it to a function button. I turn it on and off all the time.


That’s what I did also (after my initial learning experience)

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Feb 25, 2022 15:25:02   #
Capn_Dave
 
camerapapi wrote:
I have NEVER experienced that with my Olympus bodies.


I am not sure what Olympus bodies you have but here is some info on the OM-D that sy ays oyu can
https://thedigitalstory.com/2015/11/fine-tuning-your-electronic-viewfinder.html

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Feb 25, 2022 15:31:43   #
Hip Coyote
 
camerapapi wrote:
I have NEVER experienced that with my Olympus bodies.

I only shoot Oly and I turn this feature in and off frequently. Very helpful in real dark situations.

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Feb 25, 2022 16:49:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Thanks to the internet, I would download and read thru the entire manual before I decide whether I would buy the camera.


Manuals are now over 900 pages and really not very scintillating reads. They’re reference material. I can learn enough about a camera without reading the manual to make a purchase decision.

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Feb 25, 2022 16:55:32   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
I’ve assigned it to a function button. I turn it on and off all the time.


Going one further would be to set one of your custom settings as a flash setting and including it in that.

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Feb 26, 2022 07:02:53   #
drzuvela Loc: Croatia
 
In fact, I have found that all mirrorless brands introduced one quite important difference in compare to SLR/DSLR design. It is the way how lens aperture behaves in one or other case.
With SLR/DSLR lens is always full open. It is clossing to preset value in moment of triggering. Mirror goes up, aperturer closing to preset valu, I that moment we see dark anyway. This is important because that way maximum light is passed to optical viewfinder how photographer can better see and better focus if doing it manually. But also this way more light is passed to AF sensors too.
(I beleive that fast lenses are invented because of this at the first place)
Suddenly with mirrorless designers desided to close aperture proportionally as it is set by camera or photoghrapher. Interestingly, Sony closing aperture all the way fully closed, Nikon Z closing up to 5.6,don't know what Canon do. Then they do short mimic openning aperture shortly doing measurements and AF. If flash is used aperture is probably closed accordingly. Those are the reasons while we don't see anything in low light condition. Then they left us option to turn "real view" off, electrically amplifying signal for better see.
Using slow lenses in low light doesn't help either(but that is not news) just saying how problem becomes greater.

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Feb 26, 2022 09:24:30   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Going one further would be to set one of your custom settings as a flash setting and including it in that.


👍👍 Good idea.

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Feb 26, 2022 10:59:56   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
drzuvela wrote:
In fact, I have found that all mirrorless brands introduced one quite important difference in compare to SLR/DSLR design. It is the way how lens aperture behaves in one or other case.
With SLR/DSLR lens is always full open. It is clossing to preset value in moment of triggering. Mirror goes up, aperturer closing to preset valu, I that moment we see dark anyway. This is important because that way maximum light is passed to optical viewfinder how photographer can better see and better focus if doing it manually. But also this way more light is passed to AF sensors too.
(I beleive that fast lenses are invented because of this at the first place)
Suddenly with mirrorless designers desided to close aperture proportionally as it is set by camera or photoghrapher. Interestingly, Sony closing aperture all the way fully closed, Nikon Z closing up to 5.6,don't know what Canon do. Then they do short mimic openning aperture shortly doing measurements and AF. If flash is used aperture is probably closed accordingly. Those are the reasons while we don't see anything in low light condition. Then they left us option to turn "real view" off, electrically amplifying signal for better see.
Using slow lenses in low light doesn't help either(but that is not news) just saying how problem becomes greater.
In fact, I have found that all mirrorless brands i... (show quote)


That is not at all the issue. You could be shooting wide open with flash and still have the problem. The problem is that the default is for the EVF to show the exposure based on your settings. Those settings are based on the light including the flash. Since there is no flash until you take the shot it looks dark.

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