Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

I have more questions than answers but......


I first read about this in Anthony Kennedy Jr. (Robert Kennedy's son and ardent Democrat) book about Fauci's leadership in the Covid crisis.
His reference comes from "Statista": www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coernavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

The question is why did the United states, with the best health care system in the world, have more Covid deaths per million in 2021 than any other country in the world?

United States: 2107 per million
Pakistan: 128 per million
Kenya. 97 per million
Congo. 35 per million
TanZania. 86 per million
Germany. 1126 per million
Sweden. 1444 per million

Kennedy's thesis is that our entire focus was on vaccines and we ignored treatments. The US, with 4% of the world's population had 14% of total deaths world wide. Other countries, many of which had no vaccines, used Remdesivir, Htdroxychloroquine, Ivermectin and drugs that boosted the value of those already mentioned. Some of those drugs were Azithromycin, Doxycycline, Zink, Vitamin D, Celebrex, Brohexine and Quercetin.

They also started treatment sooner at early stages of the disease and didn't wait until patient was in critical condition.

I'm not saying Kennedy's thesis is right or wrong....simply food for thought.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Of course we had more than some of those countries. Like the African countries simply due to the advanced society away from rural living and their lack of involved transportation.
As far as the others we ignored it for the better part of the first year because we had one thing they didn’t have - trump !

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

LOL You are such a liar, we didn't ignore the virus for the better part of the first year, why mist you lie about this just because you hate Trump?

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

The pandemic has clearly been, and still is, a terrible national health and world crisis. Playing Monday morning quarterback serves little purpose, but no one will ever know what might have been if Trump has not lied and downplayed the severity of virus throughout his presidency. He kept telling the American people the virus, would “disappear”, he personally refused for the most part, to wear a mask. Spring of 2020 was a time for a leader to be truthful and decisive about what we faced, but Trump faltered and lied, and later forgot about the virus entirely while plotting ways to remain in power if he lost the election.
No one knows how the truth from our President from the beginning might have curtailed the suffering and death.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

"Playing Monday morning quarterback serves little purpose", yet you can't stop your Trump hatred.....

Seems that he lives inside your head, and will continue there till your dying day.....

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Make a comment about what I have said, not the condition of my head.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Hadn't seen a post from you in a while. Had hoped you were OK. Now you are giving me second thoughts.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

You are such a pathological liar, Trump didn't lie about the virus, he may have been wrong about some things about the virus but not lying about it. Dr Fauci was wrong on many things about the virus, does that mean he lied? You are still lying about we or Trump largely ignored the virus the best part of the first year. That's a bald-faced lie.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

"President Donald Trump has repeatedly lied about the coronavirus pandemic and the country’s preparation for this once-in-a-generation crisis.

Here, a collection of the biggest lies he’s told as the nation endures a public-health and economic calamity. This post will be updated as needed.


On the Nature of the Outbreak

When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
The truth: When Trump made this claim, it was too early to tell whether the virus’s spread would be dampened by warmer conditions, though public-health experts and epidemiologists were immediately skeptical of Trump’s comment. But the spring and summer have passed, and the pandemic is still raging.

When: Thursday, February 27
The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.” He was right—the virus has not disappeared.

When: Multiple times
The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.
The truth: More than 200,000 Americans have died from COVID-19. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000, nowhere near the COVID-19 numbers. Estimates of the mental-health toll of the Great Recession are mixed. A 2014 study tied more than 10,000 suicides in Europe and North America to the financial crisis. But a larger analysis in 2017 found that although the rate of suicide was increasing in the United States, the increase could not be directly tied to the recession and was attributable to broader socioeconomic conditions predating the downturn.


When: Multiple times
The claim: “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
The truth: When Trump made these claims in May, coronavirus cases were either increasing or plateauing in the majority of American states. Over the summer, the country saw a second surge even greater than its first in the spring

When: Wednesday, June 17
The claim: The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
The truth: Trump made this claim ahead of his rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, when the country was still seeing at least 20,000 new daily cases and a second spike in infections was beginning.

When: Thursday, July 2
The claim: The pandemic is “getting under control.”
The truth: Trump’s claim came as the country’s daily cases doubled to about 50,000, a higher count than was seen at the beginning of the pandemic, and as the number continued to rise, fueled by infections in the South and the West.

When: Saturday, July 4
The claim: “99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”
The truth: The virus can still cause tremendous suffering if it doesn’t kill a patient, and the WHO has said that about 15 percent of COVID-19 cases can be severe, with 5 percent being critical. Fauci has rejected Trump’s claim, saying the evidence shows that the virus “can make you seriously ill” even if it doesn’t kill you.


When: Monday, July 6
The claim: “We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
The truth: The U.S. had neither the lowest mortality rate nor the lowest case-fatality rate when Trump made this claim. As of July 13, the case-fatality rate—the ratio of deaths to confirmed COVID-19 cases—was 4.1 percent, which placed the U.S. solidly in the middle of global rankings. At the time, it had the world’s ninth-worst mortality rate, with 41.33 deaths per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University.

When: Multiple times
The claim: Mexico is partly to blame for COVID-19 surges in the Southwest.
The truth: Even before Latin America’s COVID-19 cases began to rise, the U.S. and Mexico had jointly agreed in March to restrict nonessential land travel between the two countries, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection says illegal border crossings are down compared with last year. Health experts say blaming Mexican immigrants for surges is misguided, especially when most of the individuals crossing the border are U.S. citizens who live nearby.

When: Multiple times
The claim: Children are “virtually immune” to COVID-19.
The truth: The science is not definitive, but that doesn’t mean children are immune. Studies in the U.S. and China have suggested that kids are less likely than adults to be infected, and more likely to have mild symptoms, but can still spread the virus to their family members and others. The CDC has said that about 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths have occurred in children.


When: Thursday, August 27
The claim: The U.S. has “among the lowest case-fatality rates of any major country anywhere in the world.”
The truth: When Trump said this, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and India all had lower case-fatality rates than the U.S., which sat in the middle of performance rankings among all nations and among the 20 countries hardest hit by the virus.

When: Thursday, August 27
The claim: Trump “launched the largest national mobilization since World War II” against COVID-19, and America “developed, from scratch, the largest and most advanced testing system in the world.”
The truth: These claims are incorrect and misleading. The federal government’s coronavirus response has been roundly criticized as a failure because of flawed and delayed testing, entrenched inequality that has amplified the virus’s effects, and chaotic federal leadership that’s left much of the country’s response up to the states to handle. Trump vacillated on fully invoking the Defense Production Act in March, set off international panic when he mistakenly said he was banning all travel from European nations, and was slow to support social-distancing measures nationwide. Widespread use of the DPA was still rare in July, despite continued shortages of medical supplies.

Another claim: Trump celebrated a gain of 9 million jobs as “a record in the history of our country” and said that the United States had experienced “the smallest economic contraction of any major Western nation.”
The truth: The country did gain 9 million jobs from May to July—after losing more than 20 million from February to April, during the pandemic’s first surge. And more than a dozen developed countries have recorded smaller economic contractions than America’s recession.


When: Multiple times
The claim: America is “rounding the corner” and “rounding the final turn” of the pandemic.
The truth: Trump made these claims before and after the country registered 200,000 coronavirus deaths. As the winter approaches, the number of coronavirus cases is increasing in almost every state; in the last week of October, cases rose faster than reported tests in 47 of the 50 states, according to the COVID Tracking Project.

When: Multiple times
The claim: The media is overblowing fears about the virus ahead of Election Day.
The truth: There is no media conspiracy to hype up the virus threat. Cases and hospitalizations are rising across the country, and America set and broke multiple daily case records during the last week of October, nearing 100,000 cases in a single day on Friday.

When: Multiple times
The claim: "What happens is, you get better” after being sick with COVID-19. “That's what happens: You get better.”
The truth: While most cases of COVID-19 are mild, that doesn’t negate the risk the virus poses. As of the beginning of November, it has killed more than 220,000 Americans.


Another claim: “You get better and then you’re immune.”
The truth: Although similar viruses provide some short-term immunity after recovery, doctors don’t yet know how long COVID-19 immunity lasts, especially given anecdotal reports of reinfection. Trump’s claim also ignores the long-term side effects of contracting COVID-19 that so-called long-haulers have reported.

When: Multiple times
The claim: A CDC study shows that “85 percent of the people wearing masks catch” the virus.
The truth: The CDC study that the president cited in interviews does not suggest that people who wear masks get the virus at higher rates than those who don’t, CNN reported. The lie also distorts the purpose of mask-wearing, which is chiefly to protect other people from the virus, not to protect only the mask-wearer herself."

Just a slice of the lying pie of Trump

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Oh good FL stop with your excessive bloviated BS nonsense lies. Like I said, Trump may have been wrong on things about the virus just as Dr Fauci was wrong about many things about the virus you illiterate. Being wrong doesn't necessarily equate to being a lie. I swear you lunatic ravenous Lefties are mentally disturbed. You just hate Trump so much that it clouds your judgement about anything Trump, you need special professional help. So STFU.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

So Trump downplayed the virus by being the first world leader to shut down travel against it. He held daily briefings and consulted with expert doctors, daily. He restocked our supplies of PPP and ventilators. He built hospitals and sent hospital ships. He came up with a vaccine in world record time. He advocated for therapeutics like Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. (Incidentally, there is a lower incidence of Covid in African countries because they use Hydroxychloroquine on a daily basis.). He was opposed to lockdowns and mandates as it would harm us too much and be worse than the disease. Still at the end of the year Inflation was less than 2%. And still 350,000 Americans died on his watch.

Now comes your boy Joe Biden. He tries to panic the public saying we face a winter of death and desolation ahead. He promotes Trump's vaccine and uses up all the supplies Trump procured without giving any credit to Trump. He ignores promoting therapeutics which Trump's instincts told him could be almost better than a vaccine. He simultaneously and exclusively pushes masks which have shown to have minuscule impact against the virus and in children cause more harm than good. He never let an opportunity for a lockdown or a mandate escape his authoritarian control. At the end of Biden's first year inflation was at 7%. And under Biden 550,000 Americans have died.

Now what president has been better? Comments like yours are pathetic in their ignorance and awareness of reality.

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

Interesting article in NYT entitled "The Covid Policy That Really Mattered Wasn’t a Policy." Using this link should avoid the NYT paywall:
https://www.doximity.com/collections/bd784a36-7455-44fc-9c2d-b3db35a7eb74?_eda_link_uuid=81ce9c0f-8096-4c4d-a24b-f42f27e88a5c&_r=1&_ref=digest&_t=25588292&clicked=true&featured_item=news-articles%2F289864f3-3edf-4ead-8751-01cf99835e88&position=3&source=email_doc_news%3A%3Ainterest_digest&utm_campaign=doc_news%3A%3Ainterest_digest&utm_source=doximity-eda&utm_medium=email

Poses the idea that the reason the U.S. has done so much worse than both many developed and many less developed countries, is because of the lack of trust in government, lack of trust in advice from government, as well as a lack of trust in other Americans.

Being the NYT it naturally places most of the blame on Republicans and Trump, but it also suggests that how our government has handled Covid, versus how other countries have done it, is to blame.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Trump rhetoric from day one of the Pandemic was to downplay the severity of it. He led about that constantly when the American public would have benefited from the truth. He admitted to Woodward how serious he knew it was, in February 2020, and continued the lies. That is not the way an effective leader handles a national health crisis.
Quit worshipping the man—he has feet of clay, and history will reflect that. Maybe an effective leader from the start would have reduced the number of subsequent deaths, but we will never know because Trump failed to be honest about it, when he was responsible.
Trump is a jerk, who destroyed institutions and took advantage of the tribal idiocy that prevails in this dysfunctional country. It is a shame.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Lol Good Lord do you ever stop with the pathologal lying? The Tribal idiocy is privilege in the Democratic party and the lefties in here. Why must you lie about Trump on a daily basis? Pull your empty cranium out of your rear orifice.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Can you ever respond without the insults?