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Feb 9, 2022 22:30:47   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
therwol wrote:
Nikon D810A, a DSLR, was designed for astrophotography. I don't think there is a Nikon Mirrorless equivalent yet. It is discontinued and can only be found used. There are a few listed on eBay. You said no DSLR, but it still might be something to consider, though it will cost you some money. The ones coming from Japan will obviously not be the USA model, so service may be a problem at some point. But if it means anything, the equipment I've bought from Japan is always in better shape than the descriptions.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l2632&_nkw=nikon+d810a&_sacat=31388
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If willing to use something other than Nikon, such as a Sony model, it is rather easy to have the UV-IR filter removed and a new one inserted that includes the 656nm wavelenghts.

I suggest Sony since I don't know how much experience is out there on modifying Nikon Z bodies. Maybe this is being done. But I haven't read about it anywhere.

I actually have two bodies I like to use for this. One is a Sony A6300 in which I had the CFA and UV-IR removed making it a mono full spectrum. I can then use whatever filter I want to use. I use a slide in filter holder which accepts 48mm filters. The other is an Olympus EM5ii which had just the UV-IR filter removed, but not the CFA. And I can pick the appropriate filter for this too. One filter that is useful is a UV-IR filter that includes the 656nm band giving it the same bandpass as the D810A.

I particularly like using the mono sensor A6300 in that I can pick a filter, and since there is no CFA, all pixels participate. There is a noticeable sensitivity improvement. Also, with capturing a tight wavelength, the sharpness is improved too. And there is no CA problem either.

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Feb 10, 2022 10:34:50   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Gene51 wrote:
You may want to read this:

https://www.questarcorporation.com/QuestarPDF/PhotographywithaQuesC71.pdf

If you have a solid tripod - Really Right Stuff or equal - shake is not an issue. Mirrorless may be helpful, but without autofocus, and a dark viewfinder, using a DSLR will be frustrating because the viewfinder will be so dark with a lens that is effectively F18.


You always have "Live View"

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Feb 10, 2022 14:02:04   #
JBRIII
 
Both Canon and Nikon have made cameras with allow more H-alpha thru. This in the red area and cameras see it fine, sensor wise, but it is blocked by the hotfilter as camera sensors are too senstive compared to the human eye with respect to red. This is the same filter removed for UV and IR conversions. Places like Kolari and Lifeline can do this on most any camera. Canon still makes the Ra (a for astro). The 20Da and 60Da are not longer made. My experience is that the makers make then for a time, then stop for years, then try again, market fills?, thus the big skippage between models. The Nikon got great reviews, costs I think $4500+. The Nikon was said to be unsuitable for normal photography, but a UV-IR blocking filter fixed the 60Da fine.

Something not mentioned, at least, I did not see it, is physically spacing between sensor and telescope to reach focus, I believe is it called backfocus? Not all systems can be put together even with adapters. I'm sure your scope maker could tell, they may even have a list. A piece of advice I got from a seller no less, is get a C-mount adaper for whatever camera(s) you have and start there.

I have read a lot, but done little, but suggest searching the web for astro photography and checking amazon for books. There are many ways this is done special astro (monochrome, color, video), with filter wheels, with DSLRs. A DSLR is probably easier and simplier to start and definitely cheaper if you have one or more, lock the mirror and use bulb mode to reduce vibrations. It can get really complicated, both physically and processing wise with flats, dark frames, multiple images to combine in multiple wavelenghts, etc., so reading up and starting simple seems wise at least for me.
Good luck;
Jim

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Feb 10, 2022 14:37:39   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
JBRIII wrote:

Something not mentioned, at least, I did not see it, is physically spacing between sensor and telescope to reach focus, I believe is it called backfocus? Not all systems can be put together even with adapters. I'm sure your scope maker could tell, they may even have a list. A piece of advice I got from a seller no less, is get a C-mount adaper for whatever camera(s) you have and start there.

This point is very important. Many low cost scopes do not have enough "backfocus" to allow a camera to be used in prime focus. On top of that, many low cost scopes are too flimsy to hold the weight of the camera without flexing and sagging. I do not believe that this is the case with the Questar scope mentioned. They are known for working with cameras. Also the case with the AstroTech I previously mentioned. It is designed for use with a camera and is very robust. I also have a larger ExploreScientific and it is also designed for use with a camera.

But many, many low cost scopes are not.

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Feb 10, 2022 16:52:15   #
JBRIII
 
I agree about the scope, just didn't know if camera can also be a problem.

A story, my grad advisor used one as a camera lens. He had a photo of a caterpillar on a leaf at night and perfectly lite. I congratualled him and he just laughted. Shot in bright data light, but something about the attachment was wrong.

Good luck;
Jim

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Feb 10, 2022 17:39:23   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
The best astrophotography rigs have two telescopes and two cameras. One camera focuses on one star in the region you are photographing. With the star focused on a few pixels of the camera, it commands the tracking mount to keep that star on the same set oof pixels.

The other camera is the imaging camera. By precisely controlling the motions of the mount, long exposures can be taken with no apperant motion of the object being photographed. That system doesn't work on planets, the Sun or the Moon but they are bright enough to allow very short exposure times.

Remember that we are on a revolving planet that is also on an orbital path around the Sun. There is a smartphone app called Sky Safari Pro that is extremely informative and will use your Earth Coordinates to give you an accurate image of the sky from your location. The app comes in several versions. The highest level can control the movement of your mount and can even direct the mount to center your telescope or camera on any visible object in the sky. Sky Safari is available through your phone's app store. It isn't that expensive.

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Feb 10, 2022 18:54:04   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rwww80a wrote:
I am looking to expand my kit. Need a mirrorless body to attach to a 3.5 inch Questar telescope. Primarily will be shooting animals and learning astrophotography.
DSLRs produce too much camera and lens shake. Currently I shoot with Nikon gear but I'm not sure if their mirrorless are the best for this application.
Anyone with real world experience?


Have you tried live view on your DSLR?

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Feb 10, 2022 20:03:21   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
Put that scope on a tracking mount for astrophotography not camera tripod. The celestron AVX would do it but astrophotography is very difficult and look into it before buying g anything. Drive mount, guiding scope, mirror lock up if you gave mirror, remote release. All help

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