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Jan 7, 2022 09:42:57   #
old poet
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
Theres's a big difference between " LET(ing) someone control me with fear." and just being stupid. I'll take advice of a surgon who uses several surgical masks every day of his workday over arrogance any day.



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Jan 7, 2022 10:03:02   #
old poet
 
gener202002 wrote:
I just want to say one more thing and I will take a leave from this.

I am sure I am not going to change anyone's mind. Nevertheless, the things I say are absolutely correct.

First, it is a mistake to think that vaccinated people get sick because people are unvaccinated. Either the vaccine works or it does not. And if a vaccinated person gets sick from an unvaccinated person then the vaccine doesn't work. It doesn't work. It is as plain and simple as that. Someone said 20% in hospital are vaccinated. It is more like thirty three percent. Proof positive that the vaccination does not work. I can't be emphatic enough about that. It does not work.

Second, face mask are not meant to protect you, they are meant to protect others, which again, they do not do. The idea is ludicrous. A person HAS to be able to breathe. What is worse, when you wear a mask, you are breathing a good portion of recycled air. In time, although it takes a lot of time, that will kill you. I wear a mask if I go out, not that it works, but to be respectful of others. Occasionally I go out for coffee, I don't like to, but I do need things sometimes. In restaurants, while you eat, masks are allowed to be off. I see the same people everyday in the restaurant. None of them wear masks while they eat. I guess some kind of magic happens while they are eating. The virus just goes away.

I may die of covid. I don't have it today, but I could tomorrow, even with a vaccination. Vaccination means nothing. That has been proven. It is indisputable. I see people alone in a car wearing a mask. That is ludicrous beyond anything imaginable. It doesn't help anything, and you are slowing digging your own grave. People have very mistaken ideas about this. The virus exists. It is real, and it doesn't hurt to do things to protect yourself and others. But let us use our head about it. It may be a good idea to get the vaccine for public assurance. To be good to our neighbors. But don't think for a minute it is going to protect you. It will not.

This brings me to one last point. Why are they doing this? Why are they instilling in the public the idea that we all need to get vaccinated by a vaccine that does not work? Why? People should be thinking about this and not just buying into the crap we are told by the so called experts.

As far as dying, I don't understand why anybody is worried about that. Everyone dies. Everyone. And a few years one way or another cannot possibly make any difference. Worry intensifies the danger that a virus creates.
I just want to say one more thing and I will take ... (show quote)


I'll go with the experts CDC WHO, Epidemiologist, Physicians, Nurses. Research scientists. I am a retired PhD biologist who taught pre-medical students. Masks work to prevent the spread of droplets carry viruses. No vaccine is 100% effective. Many restaurants chose to close or go to carry out. Others have followed safety spacing and cleaning guidelines
850,000 are dead from COVID RELATED illness. Yes we all will die. But virtually everyone will postpone the inevitable as long as possible. We love living. Conspiracies are creating mistrust of scientific evidence.

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Jan 7, 2022 10:24:31   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
This was posted in "General Chit Chat" today



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Jan 7, 2022 10:58:33   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
[quote=gener202002]
First, it is a mistake to think that vaccinated people get sick because people are unvaccinated.

Why? The unvaccinated are the large pool which Covid is preying upon. Take away that pool and the spread of the disease will dwindle.

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Jan 9, 2022 13:00:36   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
Theres's a big difference between " LET(ing) someone control me with fear." and just being stupid. I'll take advice of a surgon who uses several surgical masks every day of his workday over arrogance any day.


Spent most of my working life wearing masks in the OR. The ONLY reason they are worn is to protect the patient from "larger" particles, mostly saliva, from reaching the surgical wound. Even so, infection remains a very serious problem. The "sterile field" is a myth. ORs are not particularly clean. From an infection standpoint, the patient is safer in the parking garage. There has never been a valid scientific study verifying the efficacy of wearing masks to prevent infection of ANY kind. Re: hospital infection. Merely walking into any hospital increases your risk of infection. You are far safer outside. Hospitals are enclosed environments, with many very ill people with any nimber of viral and bacterial diseases. The air is not filtered to prevent contagion. Outside is much cleaner. Just to frighten you further, The 2 most dangerous (fatal) hospital bacteria are MRSA (Methacillin resistant staph aureus) and C-Diff (clostridiom difficiile) sp?). The only thing which will prevent transmission from one surface to another-such as hands. Is Chlorox. Not hand or surface de=contaminate but straight 100% chlorox, which is never used

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Jan 9, 2022 15:20:19   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
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Maybe because they know treatment work and vaccines may not.

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Jan 9, 2022 17:15:53   #
Smokin' Joe
 
I find it strange that it takes lawsuits to get data out of big pharma and government agencies so we can know the truth and make informed decisions. $$$$$$$ have a lot to do with it I'm sure.

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Jan 10, 2022 00:16:18   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
boberic wrote:
Spent most of my working life wearing masks in the OR. The ONLY reason they are worn is to protect the patient from "larger" particles, mostly saliva, from reaching the surgical wound. Even so, infection remains a very serious problem. The "sterile field" is a myth. ORs are not particularly clean. From an infection standpoint, the patient is safer in the parking garage. There has never been a valid scientific study verifying the efficacy of wearing masks to prevent infection of ANY kind. Re: hospital infection. Merely walking into any hospital increases your risk of infection. You are far safer outside. Hospitals are enclosed environments, with many very ill people with any nimber of viral and bacterial diseases. The air is not filtered to prevent contagion. Outside is much cleaner. Just to frighten you further, The 2 most dangerous (fatal) hospital bacteria are MRSA (Methacillin resistant staph aureus) and C-Diff (clostridiom difficiile) sp?). The only thing which will prevent transmission from one surface to another-such as hands. Is Chlorox. Not hand or surface de=contaminate but straight 100% chlorox, which is never used
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https://www.clorox.com/learn/how-to-dilute-bleach-for-cleaning/

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Jan 10, 2022 11:39:53   #
KillroyII Loc: Middle Georgia
 
HamB wrote:
We have reached "Herd Stupidity"



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