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Nov 10, 2021 17:59:25   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Mjump54 wrote:
I was recently approached to shoot sailing photos at a high level of competition.
Am looking for advice on what lens to acquire/rent to shoot from the Committee boat?
I currently shoot with a Canon 5D IV and 5D III.
Have Canon 70-200 2.8 and 100-400 4.5 telephotos and 1.4 and 2.0 extenders. Have several L shorter wide angle lenses.
Do I need a longer Prime lens?
Any advice appreciated as I evaluate the opportunity.


If things are moving or at different distances keep the zooms on both cameras.
no TC likely needed and NO prime at all.

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Nov 10, 2021 19:26:26   #
slbyc96 Loc: seal beach CA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
It really depends upon exactly WHICH lenses you have.

Canon has made four different 70-200mm f/2.8L lenses... the first two DO NOT work well with teleconverters. Those are the non-IS version and the original one with IS. The 70-200/2.8 "II" and "III" both work pretty well with Canon EF 1.4X II or III. They are also pretty good with the 2X II and III TCs.

The original Canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L "push/pull zoom" works pretty well with a Canon 1.4X II or III, but not with any 2X (and you'd have no autofocus with a 2X on this lens).

The current 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L "II" works very well with Canon EF 1.4X II or III. There is very little loss of IQ to the 1.4X. I have no idea how good image quality is with any 2X (also would mean no AF).

There's not much difference optically between the II series and III series teleconverters. There may be some difference in AF performance (when Canon first introduced the III series they actually said the TC electronics slowed AF a little with some lenses, for better accuracy... but I've never had any means or opportunity to compare the two series AF performance).

This will get you to 560mm f/8 equivalent with good to great image quality.

If it were me, I'd consider getting (renting or buying) a second 5DIV, for the better AF system and higher resolution. With 30MP (instead of 22MP), you would have more flexibility to crop a little, if needed. For one, I don't like to go to a job without a backup camera (heck, I'd probably have the 5DIII in my bag, too). I'd put the 70-200mm on the 2nd camera and have it ready to shoot at a moment's notice. In fact, this is exactly how I shoot sporting events.... two cameras... one with a longer telephoto, the other with a shorter one. 90% of shots can be made with those. I also make a point of the camera's being identical models, so there is no delay switching back and forth between them. When shooting fast moving events a seemingly minor difference between cameras can make for a pause that misses a shot or cause a mistaken setting.

I'd also recommend a monopod (I usually use a tripod, but I'm not on a boat). The 100-400mm isn't terribly heavy for short periods of time, but after a few hours can feel like a boat anchor!

Another lens that's always in my bag and ready to swap onto one of my cameras for closer work is a 24-70mm f/2.8. You might also want to include an even wider lens (I carry a 20mm f/2.8 when shooting full frame like you, or a 10-22mm when shooting APS-C).

Shooting from a boat out on the ocean is one of those rare instances when I would use UV/clear protective filters on my lenses. The filter not only helps improve the lens' water resistance, in case of a splash, it also keeps "salt air" off the front element. In case you don't know, that stuff can be nasty to clean off and I'd rather scrub a filter than the front element of my lens (it's barrel and the camera will need wiping down, regardless). I'd also take my Circular Polarizers!

One more thing... if you shoot with two (or more) cameras, be sure to sync their clocks the day before or the day of the event. It's quick and easy... just use the USB cable and hook each of them up to your computer and use Canon's Utility, navigate to the clock and click the "sync with computer" button. Done. This way they'll be identical and the mix of images from different cameras you come back with will be in correct sequence. The reason this is needed is because different camera's clocks lose or gain time at different rates. Even after a few days they can be several seconds different. If you haven't synced them in weeks, months or maybe forever, they will be quite far apart and your images will be way, way out of sequence. Even a few seconds difference makes a mess of things (been there, done that when I've forgotten to sync my cameras).
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If you use any device to steady the camera on a small boat it will transmit all boat motion to the camera. You ned to develop "sea legs" to keep the camera steady.

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Nov 10, 2021 23:23:44   #
Bob from Newport Beach Loc: Newport Beach, Ca
 
1. suggest that you find an experienced instructor/mentor. It takes me all day to train a good beginner;
2. make sure your 100-400 is an "L" lens, and buy a polarizer in case you must shoot into the sun;
3. set speed priority at 1/700 in the bay, and 1/1500 in the ocean minimum; aperture at about f8, float the iso
4. get a photo boat and driver who knows where you need to be on the course and how to stay out of the way
5. study every Sharon Green photo you can find very carefully to see what a good photo really is
6. shoot pictures of sailors faces and their actions on the boat

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Nov 11, 2021 00:25:10   #
ChristianHJensen
 
rdgreenwood wrote:
For several years I wrote and photographed for Noreaster magazine on Chesapeake Bay. I only did it once, but I did shoot races out of Annapolis and had results I’m very proud of. My advice is for you to just trust the committee boat. They will stay close to the racers but far enough away to ensure that they don’t interfere with the race.

For gear, if it’s sharp enough, use your longest zoom. Leave the rest of your gear at home.

Shoot at the lowest ISO the weather permits, set your shutter speed around 1/500, and use somewhere around f/8-11 for your aperture. DOF was always my least worry, but I was generally interested in one boat at a time.

Good luck and don’t forget to bring a water bottle.
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Not sure I follow you. For most races - the race committee boat is stationary at the start/finish line and is in fact one end of the start/finish line so yeah close to the boats at the start and finish but far from the boats at all other parts of the race

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Nov 11, 2021 00:26:31   #
ChristianHJensen
 
k2edm wrote:
Not mentioned is that with your Canon 5 iv, you can take videos. If you can get in position, get a video of the boats rounding a mark and setting "Spins Acre". Whether they haul it up or unferl it by breaking rubber bands there is a short time (before the helm and guys on its sheets gets it under control) when wierd things can (& often do) happen. Super video opportunity.....Tacking with a main & geny is a disaplined orderly operation, not so (ever) with a spinnacker...
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Hopefully not a lot of rubber banded kites as it has been against the rules for a number of years now...............just a detail

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Nov 11, 2021 02:46:27   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
Mjump54 wrote:
Thanks!!! This is what I was looking for planning.
Someone else here mentioned polarized filter. Would the be preferable over a neutral density filter?


Neither one is advisable for this application. The ND filter, by design will slow down your shutter speed as it darkens the exposure by 3 or 6 or 10 stops (depending on the filter specs) and are more well-suited for long-duration landscape shots. Plus certain brands of ND filters tend to impart an undesireable greenish color cast on the image which is a concern in post-production. My go-to brand which has mitigated this issue is from Breakthrough Photography filters.
The Circular Polarizers are two-piece filters that allows the front element to rotate 360 degrees in relation to the fixed rear element mounted on the filter threads of the lens. They are most effective when you set them to a 90 degree offset orientation to the sun in the sky. Since a race will be highly dynamic and as you will change the perspective you are shooting from either on the committee boat or if you can score a ride on a smaller chase craft, constantly having to adjust the CPL filter as your position relative to the sun in the sky changes, will be more of a distraction and in the end result in inconsistent shots as the apparent differences in density of the various captures will be glaring. Also you may have a long lens with a bayonet-mount tulip lens hood which will prevent you from accessing the rotating ring with your fingers. I solved this problem with a size-specific Sensei-brand round metal lens hood which I mount to the rotating front element's 77mm threads instead, skipping the the OEM hood altogether and use that to rotate and make my adjustments. Stick with a tried and true fixed UV filter.

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Nov 11, 2021 04:36:36   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Mjump54 wrote:
Thanks!!! Great insight. So maybe two cameras. One with a 24-105 and the other with the 100-400 mm


Sounds about right. The 100-400 on the MkIV and the 24-105 (or 24-70) on the MkIII. Having the wider end covered means you can shoot onboard shots as well as onshore groups or individuals.

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Nov 12, 2021 07:10:50   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Mjump54 wrote:
I was recently approached to shoot sailing photos at a high level of competition.
Am looking for advice on what lens to acquire/rent to shoot from the Committee boat?
I currently shoot with a Canon 5D IV and 5D III.
Have Canon 70-200 2.8 and 100-400 4.5 telephotos and 1.4 and 2.0 extenders. Have several L shorter wide angle lenses.
Do I need a longer Prime lens?
Any advice appreciated as I evaluate the opportunity.

Did anyone ask you what class boats are in the race? Lightnings and Solos will be different from your larger open water racing yachts. The larger the boat the further away you will likely be from the action, while smaller one design boats may allow you to be in a close by chase boat.

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Nov 12, 2021 08:55:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Aside from equipment, find out exactly what the committee expects, and get it in writing. I'd hate to see you posting here after the event with a list of problems. There have been many posts about what happens after someone takes pictures for someone else - lots of misunderstandings.

Who owns the pictures and the originals; will you be processing or printing them? There is a lot to consider.

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Nov 29, 2021 17:04:00   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
ChristianHJensen wrote:
Hopefully not a lot of rubber banded kites as it has been against the rules for a number of years now...............just a detail


I never raced, (too damn many rules),sold my last sailboat in 1996 and have done nothing since but get older., but I would kill to sail the great south bay just once more....

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