Rolk
Loc: South Central PA
traderjohn wrote:
Artist...artistic license??? I thought this was about taking pictures.
Whether you think they are artistic or not, traderjohn, photography is about taking pictures, which is exactly what I did with this series. If you don't like the representation of what I saw and what I chose to share, perhaps you can just move on...
Tim
Rolk
Loc: South Central PA
William Kemp wrote:
I'm not a pro and I don't sell my pictures but I thought one of the things a photographer does is to take something regular or normal and turn it into something beautiful and that is exactly what happened with these photos. They ae breath takingly stunning!
William, I am so glad you enjoyed them and certainly appreciate your kind words.
You pretty much summed up why I shared both types of images, so those that want to try something new can see how I did it, and those that prefer the "same old, same old" can continue to do as they please. It's about learning, enjoying, sharing, and should NEVER be about espousing how someone's images don't suit their way of doing things.
Rolk wrote:
Excellent commentary and insight into the world of photography, and thank you for sharing!
Tim
You are very welcome. Thank you for posting photos from a beautiful area that I have never been to.
Rolk wrote:
Whether you think they are artistic or not, traderjohn, photography is about taking pictures, which is exactly what I did with this series. If you don't like the representation of what I saw and what I chose to share, perhaps you can just move on...
Tim
Sorry to see you are so fragile. I was not responding to you.
Touchy, touchy. Yes it's the Photo Gallery. But that doesn't mean that a viewer can't express an opinion. So, I'm going to express mine. Nice photos, I like them. And I usually like the slow shutter water treatment. But I think you went overboard a bit. And for some reason it doesn't look as well with the dis-colored water, in MY humble opinion. I hope you don't think I'm "slamming" your work. A thick skin is a good thing here.
Rolk
Loc: South Central PA
traderjohn wrote:
Sorry to see you are so fragile. I was not responding to you.
Fragile? Seriously? Dude, you're just rude...that's on you, not me.
Rolk wrote:
Fragile? Seriously? Dude, you're just rude...that's on you, not me.
Hello, my response was not to you or anything you said or those pictures you took. Not understanding that is...on you.
traderjohn wrote:
Artist...artistic license??? I thought this was about taking pictures.
So, you don't think taking photos is art? Are you serious? And, your post later in this thread to Rolk is rude. Of course you weren't directly addressing his photos, but you were implying that he is neither an artist or is capable of using artistic license, so why shouldn't he respond to your posts?
This is about taking pictures, and that requires artistic license unless you want your photos to look just like the next guys.
btbg wrote:
So, you don't think taking photos is art? Are you serious? And, your post later in this thread to Rolk is rude. Of course you weren't directly addressing his photos, but you were implying that he is neither an artist or is capable of using artistic license, so why shouldn't he respond to your posts?
This is about taking pictures, and that requires artistic license unless you want your photos to look just like the next guys.
When you pick up a piece of equipment that is comprised of various pieces of plastic, electronic chips, metal, and glass than with the use of a variety of different settings, Shutter, ISO, and aperture that you adjust with a wheel or button then place this in front of your eye or view through a screen on the back of the instrument and adjust the focal length and a variety of other things with this camera. You now remove the electronic device that has captured the pictures you then place that card in a reader or insert it in your computer, or use an electronic cord from your camera to computer/laptop. You now load these pictures in some PP software designed by someone else's genius. You gaze upon your pictures and select the ones you perceive to be worthy of enhancement. Then by using a variety of sliders provided by this other person's genius you manipulate this and that. not quite finished you use another software program and its sliders and related enhancement manipulations. Now you look upon the finished electronically altered photo and proclaim ...yes I have created art ...I am an artist. No, you are a person with a camera.
traderjohn wrote:
When you pick up a piece of equipment that is comprised of various pieces of plastic, electronic chips, metal, and glass than with the use of a variety of different settings, Shutter, ISO, and aperture that you adjust with a wheel or button then place this in front of your eye or view through a screen on the back of the instrument and adjust the focal length and a variety of other things with this camera. You now remove the electronic device that has captured the pictures you then place that card in a reader or insert it in your computer, or use an electronic cord from your camera to computer/laptop. You now load these pictures in some PP software designed by someone else's genius. You gaze upon your pictures and select the ones you perceive to be worthy of enhancement. Then by using a variety of sliders provided by this other person's genius you manipulate this and that. not quite finished you use another software program and its sliders and related enhancement manipulations. Now you look upon the finished electronically altered photo and proclaim ...yes I have created art ...I am an artist. No, you are a person with a camera.
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If that's your view, then what are you doing on a photography forum? You may not create art with a camera, but others certainly do.
Rolk
Loc: South Central PA
traderjohn wrote:
When you pick up a piece of equipment that is comprised of various pieces of plastic, electronic chips, metal, and glass than with the use of a variety of different settings, Shutter, ISO, and aperture that you adjust with a wheel or button then place this in front of your eye or view through a screen on the back of the instrument and adjust the focal length and a variety of other things with this camera. You now remove the electronic device that has captured the pictures you then place that card in a reader or insert it in your computer, or use an electronic cord from your camera to computer/laptop. You now load these pictures in some PP software designed by someone else's genius. You gaze upon your pictures and select the ones you perceive to be worthy of enhancement. Then by using a variety of sliders provided by this other person's genius you manipulate this and that. not quite finished you use another software program and its sliders and related enhancement manipulations. Now you look upon the finished electronically altered photo and proclaim ...yes I have created art ...I am an artist. No, you are a person with a camera.
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First of all, Mr. Traderjohn, I "created" those water fall images in the camera! I made the setting necessary to get the "silky" texture I wanted. I don't give a flying f**k if you like it or hate it, but there
is never any reason to diss someone for their preferences. That's just rude.
And as I said before, several "responders" to this post need to read the rules of the "Photo Gallery" section. It clearly states that unless solicited, refrain from posting critiques. Unfortunately, too many people on here feel that are so self important, everyone just absolutely has to listen to their opinions because they're the expert....wrong.
Rolk wrote:
First of all, Mr. Traderjohn, I "created" those water fall images in the camera! I made the setting necessary to get the "silky" texture I wanted. I don't give a flying f**k if you like it or hate it, but there
is never any reason to diss someone for their preferences. That's just rude.
And as I said before, several "responders" to this post need to read the rules of the "Photo Gallery" section. It clearly states that unless solicited, refrain from posting critiques. Unfortunately, too many people on here feel that are so self important, everyone just absolutely has to listen to their opinions because they're the expert....wrong.
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Wow...did I bruise your ego? Does it say anything about cursing at someone? You know what I mean...at least I hope you do. Dear boy, in no way, did I imply did not create a photograph. You pushed a button and there it was. My response was to photographers who think they are artists and therefore their pictures are art. If you can compose your self reread what I said. Ya gotta calm down. It's only a picture.
traderjohn wrote:
When you pick up a piece of equipment that is comprised of various pieces of plastic, electronic chips, metal, and glass than with the use of a variety of different settings, Shutter, ISO, and aperture that you adjust with a wheel or button then place this in front of your eye or view through a screen on the back of the instrument and adjust the focal length and a variety of other things with this camera. You now remove the electronic device that has captured the pictures you then place that card in a reader or insert it in your computer, or use an electronic cord from your camera to computer/laptop. You now load these pictures in some PP software designed by someone else's genius. You gaze upon your pictures and select the ones you perceive to be worthy of enhancement. Then by using a variety of sliders provided by this other person's genius you manipulate this and that. not quite finished you use another software program and its sliders and related enhancement manipulations. Now you look upon the finished electronically altered photo and proclaim ...yes I have created art ...I am an artist. No, you are a person with a camera.
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By the way, your argument is seriously flawed. I used to make a living painting oil paintings. Your argument seems to be that photography isn't art as you are using a device that someone else made and then making adjustments using software that someone else made.
Well, as far as I know no one would argue that painting isn't art, yet, when I painted I used brushes that someone else made on canvas that someone else made and stretched, with oil paint that someone else manufactured. I also often used reference photos that someone else took.
So, same thing. No matter what your medium art is taking something and making something else from it. A block of wood that is carved becomes art, a bronze cast becomes art even though neither wood nor bronze is in and of itself art. A photo can be a snap shot of a period of time, which is what many of my photos are in my job as a sports photographer, but they can also be art if they allow others to see the world in a different way.
When you believe that photography is "only taking pictures" and can't be art you devalue the work for wedding photographers, portrait photographers, news photographers, and other professionals who make their living with a camera.
If photos weren't art there would be no photos in art galleries, but we all know that there are photos in galleries, and photographs have sold for more than a million dollars. So, someone thinks they are art.
btbg wrote:
If that's your view, then what are you doing on a photography forum? You may not create art with a camera, but others certainly do.
No, I take pictures. I do not create art. I am on a photography site because of photographs, not art.
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