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Canon m50, canon 90d DSLR, or canon EOS M6 Mark II Mirrorless Digital Camera
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Aug 31, 2021 12:08:13   #
cony25
 
Any experience with either of these cameras?
I would like to use them for both video and photography.

Which would be the best overall deal?

Any particularities of performance?

Any downsides?

Your experience is appreciated as I need guidance.

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Aug 31, 2021 12:12:58   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
cony25 wrote:
Any experience with either of these cameras?
I would like to use them for both video and photography.

Which would be the best overall deal?

Any particularities of performance?

Any downsides?

Your experience is appreciated as I need guidance.


Had the 90D--sent it back. If you can afford the R6 the only downside is the price?

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Aug 31, 2021 12:16:36   #
cony25
 
Why didn't you like the 90d?

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Aug 31, 2021 15:37:37   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
cony25 wrote:
Any experience with either of these cameras?
I would like to use them for both video and photography.

Which would be the best overall deal?

Any particularities of performance?

Any downsides?

Your experience is appreciated as I need guidance.


What kind of subjects do you photograph, that will influence the best pick.

OK first you named three models and used "either" which is applied to two of something.

Two M mount APS-C cameras and one APS-C dslr model.

The M50 is 24MP (so is the M50II) and is tiny, do you have large or small hands? To use anything but the limited number of M mount lenses you need an adapter to use EF or EF-S lenses.

The 90D dslr and the M6 II are 32.5MP.
The 90D uses the EF and EF-S lenses of which there are a much bigger selection, including third party lens makers.
The M6 II uses the M mount like the M50.

I have a 90D among my cameras and that 32.5MP crop sensor has such tiny pixels (highest density on the market when first released) that any camera movement, vibration etc. can cause motion blur or at the very least causes the pixels to become visible and looking like extremely fine grained noise in a still image.* I am either going to trade it or relegate it to tripod, or table top macro on a tripod etc. only. Outdoors, even in bright sun trying to hand hold it the shutter speed and ISO go to extremes and that is with the aperture wide open or close to wide open. I haven't tried it with flash yet.
Yes, I could have gotten much closer with a macro lens and maybe eliminated a lot of the problem. Not easy with bees working on tiny flowers.

The M6 II will have the same problems.

I can't speak to video, I don't do video, my wife does and I bought her a dedicated Camcorder for our younger Son's Special Olympics events.

*see attached in download, very fine texture of the pixels showing, great detail but not the smooth creamy look to the background that I prefer. These are OOC, no editing, only a crop on #2

My personal opinion is that 32.5MP is just too much for a crop sensor to be a good general purpose, carry it and shoot hand held camera.
I am watching for a possible "R7" to replace/supplement my 7DII for birds. But one rumor says it will have the 32.5MP sensor, if so I will not be getting one.

Canon 90D, Canon 100 f/2.8 Macro, 1/1000 @ f/8.0, ISO-10,000 hand held in open shade under a very bright sky
Canon 90D, Canon 100 f/2.8 Macro, 1/1000 @ f/8.0, ...
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Aug 31, 2021 15:40:50   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I would think the M50 and M6 have a downside of limited M series native lenses. However, the EF and EF-S series lenses (for the DSLR cameras) can be used with an adapter. But this brings the size & weight up, defeating the purpose of the smaller camera.

The M6 Mark II has an additional shortcoming of not having a viewfinder.

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Aug 31, 2021 16:03:08   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
cony25 wrote:
Why didn't you like the 90d?


I had an 80D and I thought the extra megapixels would help with my birding pictures. It wasn't much of an upgrade. What I ended up doing is getting a used 7D mk ll. (10,000) shutter count for $600. It is a professional camera. 10fps. I am a wildlife photographer. It is a superb camera with a incredibly sharp lens (Canon 100-400 ll). See the pic I took this morning. I was a long way off and heavily cropped. I am happy with the result.

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Aug 31, 2021 16:14:25   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
I had an 80D and I thought the extra megapixels would help with my birding pictures. It wasn't much of an upgrade. What I ended up doing is getting a used 7D mk ll. (10,000) shutter count for $600. It is a professional camera. 10fps. I am a wildlife photographer. It is a superb camera with a incredibly sharp lens (Canon 100-400 ll). See the pic I took this morning. I was a long way off and heavily cropped. I am happy with the result.


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Aug 31, 2021 16:17:12   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
I had an 80D and I thought the extra megapixels would help with my birding pictures. It wasn't much of an upgrade. What I ended up doing is getting a used 7D mk ll. (10,000) shutter count for $600. It is a professional camera. 10fps. I am a wildlife photographer. It is a superb camera with a incredibly sharp lens (Canon 100-400 ll). See the pic I took this morning. I was a long way off and heavily cropped. I am happy with the result.


I traded my first 7DII and a Tamron 150-600 G1 towards an 80D (and a Tamron G2) for the increased number of f/8 capable focal points,
Then I instantly missed all the pro menu choices and other features so on Craig's list I found a guy who lives here in the LA Metro area whose family had decided the 7DII he bought for them was too complicated to learn and no one used it. He used a FF himself. So I got it with a Canon battery grip and 4 batteries for $740 cash. Yes, I asked why so low, he said that was what he could get the camera his wife and family said they really wanted for. His neighbor was changing camera brands and would sell it to him with a grip and batteries for that price. We met at a Costco food court half way between our houses to complete the deal and we both ended up happy.
So I had a 7DII again, and with only a tiny fraction of the shutter count my first one had when I traded it.

I use it with the 100-400L II and also a 70-300L when I want lighter. I bought the 70-300L from another Hogger and it came with a Kenko MC4 1.4x that is the only extender that is fully functional with that lens. Even with the 1.4x it is still smaller and lighter than the 100-400L II and the image IQ is almost as good, probably about the same as the Tamron G2.

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Aug 31, 2021 16:23:34   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
Amazing camera that came out in 2014. Coupled with a razor sharp lens(Canon 100-400 ll). Hard to beat!

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Sep 1, 2021 09:16:36   #
Wilderness Images Loc: Apache Junction, AZ.
 
When Canon introduced the EOS M mirrorless, I purchased it and, acknowledging it's drawbacks, had a good useful experience. Then came the M-3, much better features and focus. Again, a good useful camera. I presently have the EOS M6 lll and love it, the dual-pixel focus system is lightning fast and it's the best camera I've had thus far. I have the EF lens adaptor to make use of those available lenses.

Jack Olson

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Sep 1, 2021 13:51:59   #
sailwiz Loc: Santee, CA
 
I love my M50.

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Sep 1, 2021 14:10:06   #
tgreenhaw
 
If you are going to shoot video, strongly consider mirrorless. Video with a DSLR means you will be composing with the back LCD and in bright daylight it's very hard to see, especially for focus.

Take a look at the Canon Rp. It's about the same price as the 90D and will suit your needs better. It also lets you use RF lenses in case you want to upgrade in the future.

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Sep 1, 2021 15:05:17   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Superb results 💙❤️💎❤️💙

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Sep 1, 2021 15:10:39   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
What kind of subjects do you photograph, that will influence the best pick.

OK first you named three models and used "either" which is applied to two of something.

Two M mount APS-C cameras and one APS-C dslr model.

The M50 is 24MP (so is the M50II) and is tiny, do you have large or small hands? To use anything but the limited number of M mount lenses you need an adapter to use EF or EF-S lenses.

The 90D dslr and the M6 II are 32.5MP.
The 90D uses the EF and EF-S lenses of which there are a much bigger selection, including third party lens makers.
The M6 II uses the M mount like the M50.

I have a 90D among my cameras and that 32.5MP crop sensor has such tiny pixels (highest density on the market when first released) that any camera movement, vibration etc. can cause motion blur or at the very least causes the pixels to become visible and looking like extremely fine grained noise in a still image.* I am either going to trade it or relegate it to tripod, or table top macro on a tripod etc. only. Outdoors, even in bright sun trying to hand hold it the shutter speed and ISO go to extremes and that is with the aperture wide open or close to wide open. I haven't tried it with flash yet.
Yes, I could have gotten much closer with a macro lens and maybe eliminated a lot of the problem. Not easy with bees working on tiny flowers.

The M6 II will have the same problems.

I can't speak to video, I don't do video, my wife does and I bought her a dedicated Camcorder for our younger Son's Special Olympics events.

*see attached in download, very fine texture of the pixels showing, great detail but not the smooth creamy look to the background that I prefer. These are OOC, no editing, only a crop on #2

My personal opinion is that 32.5MP is just too much for a crop sensor to be a good general purpose, carry it and shoot hand held camera.
I am watching for a possible "R7" to replace/supplement my 7DII for birds. But one rumor says it will have the 32.5MP sensor, if so I will not be getting one.
What kind of subjects do you photograph, that will... (show quote)


Wow ⭐⭐🎯⭐⭐

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Sep 1, 2021 17:09:28   #
Zooman 1
 
Taken with the M50 at the Miller Park Zoo using the adaptor and the Canon 100-400mm lens, hand held,



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