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Aug 10, 2021 11:19:52   #
HOHIMER
 
fourlocks wrote:
My best friend lives in East Sandwich where I often visit so I'm very familiar with both circles and you're right, idiots who don't know how to drive on them cause problems. Along with your white Suburban issue, I've seen people already on the circle slow down or even stop in the middle of the circle to let someone enter from a side road. That's about as smart and with roughly the same effect, as running a red light.


Or stopping while you have a green to let someone with a red light turn right. Dangerous!

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Aug 10, 2021 11:47:52   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
In the town where I lived about 15 years ago we had a main road with two side roads entering. Not a cross, the two roads were offset. The main road was a primary commuting route so at certain times of day it was a major pain to get onto that road from a side road. A traffic light was considered, but there were some who thought a roundabout might be preferable. The statistics showed that roundabouts were "traffic calming" structures and produced fewer accidents than a traffic light.

I lived downstream from the intersection in question and I would have preferred the traffic light. My reasoning was that the roundabout would allow traffic from the side roads to enter, and that would benefit the side roads. But the roundabout would meter the traffic so downstream there would be a steady flow, impacting all the side roads downstream. A traffic light would interrupt the flow periodically, leading to gaps that would enable the downstream side roads to function.

Fortunately, the town, after several studies, found there was not enough space available to construct a roundabout. And, of course, there was not enough money available to install a traffic light. So the situation has not changed.

You might look at the Magic Roundabout in Hempstead, England for an interesting example. It looks like the main part of the roundabout is two-way.

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Aug 10, 2021 12:10:27   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
In rural Vermont they are referred to as "Dummies" rather than common name of Rotary,....or Rounabout.

Made me do a double take when I was asking directions while visiting there,...you just drive up he road till you get to the dummy..................new one on me.

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Aug 10, 2021 12:35:49   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Martys wrote:
In rural Vermont they are referred to as "Dummies" rather than common name of Rotary,....or Rounabout.

Made me do a double take when I was asking directions while visiting there,...you just drive up he road till you get to the dummy..................new one on me.



As bad as directions in some areas -
Go down this road and turn right where Snodgrass Hardware used to be.

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Aug 10, 2021 12:51:48   #
Tom DePuy Loc: Waxhaw, N.C.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Do a search for "roundabouts," and you'll find articles saying how great they are. Judging by the new ones in Kingston, NY, they aren't great.

We used to have a large traffic circle by the Thruway entrance. Four roads fed into it, and it was large enough that you could enter even if a car had just entered on your left. The new one - a roundabout - is so small that 18-wheelers must use both lanes. If you're waiting to enter, and a car enters on your left, it's too close for you to drive into the circle. The result is a line of cars waiting to enter the roundabout. As if that weren't band enough, cars in the left lane are allowed to make right turns to exit in front of cars in the right lane.

Now we have a brand new roundabout. We used to have traffic lights. Red - stop; green - go. Now we have this confusing roundabout, which people are avoiding by driving out of their way by several miles. I'm glad I found this picture so you can so what it's like. Of course, from the air, it's easier to get a good view and understand it. Down on ground level, with cars entering from every angle, it's very confusing.
Do a search for "roundabouts," and you'l... (show quote)


I had the "pleasure" of driving the new round-about back in May it wasn't quite finished yet tho. And the one by the thru-way, it used to be nice, not so much anymore.
Here in my part of N.C. they are constantly putting in round-abouts everywhere, so many that I think some drivers are getting dizzy from having so many circles to go in.

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Aug 10, 2021 16:03:02   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
There was one in Waco and they took it out. I know of another in Dallas that they also took out - Not a good traffic control

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Aug 10, 2021 19:40:58   #
HOHIMER
 
Longshadow wrote:


As bad as directions in some areas -
Go down this road and turn right where Snodgrass Hardware used to be.
img src="https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/images/s... (show quote)


Or, as my Dad told me one time, ”Go past the old tree where I first kissed your Mother, and turn South….”

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Aug 11, 2021 05:24:44   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
The roundabout system works well all over the world where you give way to the vehicles already on the roundabout however they will never work in the US because most Americans are loath to give way from anyone coming from the left.

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Aug 11, 2021 06:09:40   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Do a search for "roundabouts," and you'll find articles saying how great they are. Judging by the new ones in Kingston, NY, they aren't great.

We used to have a large traffic circle by the Thruway entrance. Four roads fed into it, and it was large enough that you could enter even if a car had just entered on your left. The new one - a roundabout - is so small that 18-wheelers must use both lanes. If you're waiting to enter, and a car enters on your left, it's too close for you to drive into the circle. The result is a line of cars waiting to enter the roundabout. As if that weren't band enough, cars in the left lane are allowed to make right turns to exit in front of cars in the right lane.

Now we have a brand new roundabout. We used to have traffic lights. Red - stop; green - go. Now we have this confusing roundabout, which people are avoiding by driving out of their way by several miles. I'm glad I found this picture so you can so what it's like. Of course, from the air, it's easier to get a good view and understand it. Down on ground level, with cars entering from every angle, it's very confusing.
Do a search for "roundabouts," and you'l... (show quote)


They were introduced because people blow through red lights like the aren't there .
I happened to run into this last week in St.Louis, Mo, every trip I have made in the last 4 years to the metals supplier I have seen people speed through this intersection in all four directions, now they have to slow down , well maybe.

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Aug 11, 2021 06:17:07   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
wmurnahan wrote:
The big problem I see is folks not knowing how to use them. I see it almost daily, that folks come to a stop if anyone is anywhere in the circle. Even if a car is just a quarter of the circle away, if you and him are doing the same speed, you merge (which seems to be what folks have a problem with understanding the concept) and keep going.


Unfortunately, there are idiots behind the wheel everywhere! Where there are freeways, there are onramps leading onto the freeway, requiring merging with the freeway traffic. There are all together too many who have no concept of getting up to speed so as to merge seamlessly with that traffic; rather, frequently, they will come to a stop before timidly entering the freeway, causing a problem for everyone, both on the onramp and on the freeway!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Aug 11, 2021 06:53:23   #
Frank Basile Loc: Hudson Valley NY
 
Two best roundabout observations of late :
1 vehicle in circle misses their exit so they stop and back up to intended exit.
2 vehicle enters and goes left (against traffic flow) to get to exit.

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Aug 11, 2021 07:06:51   #
whfowle Loc: Tampa first, now Albuquerque
 
I lived in England for a few years where I first encountered a roundabout. It didn't take long to figure it out just watching others go through one. Looking at this picture tells me the designer didn't use common sense. Too many choices. Works best when there are just four ways or less. Getting in and out sometimes requires more than one loop.

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Aug 11, 2021 07:28:52   #
jamer Loc: PA
 
All in the name of progress!!!

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Aug 11, 2021 07:31:35   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
fourlocks wrote:
My best friend lives in East Sandwich where I often visit so I'm very familiar with both circles and you're right, idiots who don't know how to drive on them cause problems. Along with your white Suburban issue, I've seen people already on the circle slow down or even stop in the middle of the circle to let someone enter from a side road. That's about as smart and with roughly the same effect, as running a red light.



We had them as a kid in New Jersey in the 50's. They work fine. Like anything you must learn how to use them Lightroom doesn't work well either until you learn how to use it (Don't understand why a white Suburban would be more of an issue than a red Toyota?)

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Aug 11, 2021 07:49:05   #
Schoee Loc: Europe
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Do a search for "roundabouts," and you'll find articles saying how great they are. Judging by the new ones in Kingston, NY, they aren't great.

We used to have a large traffic circle by the Thruway entrance. Four roads fed into it, and it was large enough that you could enter even if a car had just entered on your left. The new one - a roundabout - is so small that 18-wheelers must use both lanes. If you're waiting to enter, and a car enters on your left, it's too close for you to drive into the circle. The result is a line of cars waiting to enter the roundabout. As if that weren't band enough, cars in the left lane are allowed to make right turns to exit in front of cars in the right lane.

Now we have a brand new roundabout. We used to have traffic lights. Red - stop; green - go. Now we have this confusing roundabout, which people are avoiding by driving out of their way by several miles. I'm glad I found this picture so you can so what it's like. Of course, from the air, it's easier to get a good view and understand it. Down on ground level, with cars entering from every angle, it's very confusing.
Do a search for "roundabouts," and you'l... (show quote)


THis one in England is even more scary



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