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Aug 1, 2021 18:42:01   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so. But for all these flaws. in the country's 250 years it has brought more wealth to more of it's people than any country in history. Even the poor in America live more luxurious lives than does 80+ % of the words population. Why then do so many want to radically change that system. We are growing ever closer to a semi marxist ideal. Is it because people are to willing to believe that a socialist utopia can actually exist? Can't they see that ONLY a rigid dictatorship can enforce a socialist country. Don't give me the typical nonsense that this or that country has "some ' government run social programs (we do as well). But every long standing socialist/marxist country is controled by a very rigid dictatorship. WE are moving ever closer to such a system. Our young are being taught (indoctrinated) that thye US is an inherently evil place run by evil white supremicists. If a child has white skin he is an oppressor , and all people who do not have white wkin are oppressed. Cancel culture is rampant. Be very carerfull. The ultra leftists are behind these changes. They are willing to go very slow to gain their ideals. And they are winning. THey must be stopped and soon, or it will be too late. Who was it who said "All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing"

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Aug 1, 2021 18:56:13   #
captivecookie Loc: Washington state
 
boberic wrote:
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so. But for all these flaws. in the country's 250 years it has brought more wealth to more of it's people than any country in history. Even the poor in America live more luxurious lives than does 80+ % of the words population. Why then do so many want to radically change that system. We are growing ever closer to a semi marxist ideal. Is it because people are to willing to believe that a socialist utopia can actually exist? Can't they see that ONLY a rigid dictatorship can enforce a socialist country. Don't give me the typical nonsense that this or that country has "some ' government run social programs (we do as well). But every long standing socialist/marxist country is controled by a very rigid dictatorship. WE are moving ever closer to such a system. Our young are being taught (indoctrinated) that thye US is an inherently evil place run by evil white supremicists. If a child has white skin he is an oppressor , and all people who do not have white wkin are oppressed. Cancel culture is rampant. Be very carerfull. The ultra leftists are behind these changes. They are willing to go very slow to gain their ideals. And they are winning. THey must be stopped and soon, or it will be too late. Who was it who said "All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing"
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so... (show quote)


Don't remember which of our historic figures said that, but I believe there is a lot of truth to it.

As a side note, I've been wondering, of late, how would we know that a socialist system works? I don't think it has yet, but until recently I haven't tried hard to think what the definition of success would be. My personal definition is something like: everyone has everything they need, and nobody has more than they need. The many times this has been tried around the world, not everyone had all they needed, and there were those at the top who certainly did have more than they needed.

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Aug 1, 2021 20:56:17   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
I agree/ That quote sounds like Winston Churchill. Just looked it up, Edmund Burke

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Aug 1, 2021 23:47:52   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
captivecookie wrote:
Don't remember which of our historic figures said that, but I believe there is a lot of truth to it.

As a side note, I've been wondering, of late, how would we know that a socialist system works? I don't think it has yet, but until recently I haven't tried hard to think what the definition of success would be. My personal definition is something like: everyone has everything they need, and nobody has more than they need. The many times this has been tried around the world, not everyone had all they needed, and there were those at the top who certainly did have more than they needed.
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That is the utopian ideal/ Problem is it NEVER works. What you are saying is--From each according to his ability. To each according to his need". A MAJOR tenet of Marxian Communisum. It denies basic human behavior. It takes away incentive. If a person gets everything he needs why should he work. Who determines what he needs= The state? Who determines whar his ability is? The state. Example.I.Worked On call 24 7 365. If I earned the same in a 40 hour week. why would I do a case at 4 AM, or on weekends, both of which I did frequemtly. Your Utopian ideal just can't work. It NEVER has

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Aug 2, 2021 08:02:11   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
boberic wrote:
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so. But for all these flaws. in the country's 250 years it has brought more wealth to more of it's people than any country in history. Even the poor in America live more luxurious lives than does 80+ % of the words population. Why then do so many want to radically change that system. We are growing ever closer to a semi marxist ideal. Is it because people are to willing to believe that a socialist utopia can actually exist? Can't they see that ONLY a rigid dictatorship can enforce a socialist country. Don't give me the typical nonsense that this or that country has "some ' government run social programs (we do as well). But every long standing socialist/marxist country is controled by a very rigid dictatorship. WE are moving ever closer to such a system. Our young are being taught (indoctrinated) that thye US is an inherently evil place run by evil white supremicists. If a child has white skin he is an oppressor , and all people who do not have white wkin are oppressed. Cancel culture is rampant. Be very carerfull. The ultra leftists are behind these changes. They are willing to go very slow to gain their ideals. And they are winning. THey must be stopped and soon, or it will be too late. Who was it who said "All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing"
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so... (show quote)


Forget about the boogie man word "Socialism" and think about how we should control the depradations of big corporations. Should they be free to poison our water, our air, our food? Should they be free to sell us dangerous products? Should they be free to destroy our forests, rivers, wetlands by drilling, fracking, clear cutting wherever they choose? They need to be REGULATED. And why are billionaires, multi-millionaires not helping to pay for things we all need like good roads, safe bridges, safe water pipes and treatment plants, public transportation, universal, fast internet, etc.? The Republicans killed the Democrats' attempt to adequately fund the IRS so that the obscenely rich would pay their share of taxes instead of their widespread tax evasion costing the Treasury a trillion dollars a year.

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Aug 2, 2021 08:40:43   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
berchman wrote:
Forget about the boogie man word "Socialism" and think about how we should control the depradations of big corporations. Should they be free to poison our water, our air, our food? Should they be free to sell us dangerous products? Should they be free to destroy our forests, rivers, wetlands by drilling, fracking, clear cutting wherever they choose? They need to be REGULATED. And why are billionaires, multi-millionaires not helping to pay for things we all need like good roads, safe bridges, safe water pipes and treatment plants, public transportation, universal, fast internet, etc.? The Republicans killed the Democrats' attempt to adequately fund the IRS so that the obscenely rich would pay their share of taxes instead of their widespread tax evasion costing the Treasury a trillion dollars a year.
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There are all kinds of regulations. And the mistake you are making is to only blame i side. Thre Dems are resonsible for their share of over spending. Thye other common mistak that people make is to consider the economy as a zero sum game. The wealthy do not TAKE money from those less fortunate. And as far as "fair share" is concerned the very wealthy--millionaires and billionaires do not have any where near th And withat kind of INCOME. their wealth is mostly in the value of the stock that they hold. And as far as corporations paying taxes, all they will do is increase the prices. which adds to inflation, which is now happening. Shouls there be improvements--of course/ The infrastructure bills are over laden with pork. So most of the money in the infrastructure bills do not go to improving the infrastructure. Both dems and repubs are equally responsible here. It is very interesting to note the mostly blue states have higher taxes and thats the reason that those states are losing population to red states. Mostly Texas and Florida. What really needs to be done is a constitutional amendment requiting a balanced budget. And as far as the wealthy not paying enough in taxes, the top 90%npay about 50% of all income taxes collected and the other 50%nis payed by those earning over 125000 and the botten 50% pay NOTHING. So how much is "fair" the wrealthy already pay over 50% of income in taxes.

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Aug 2, 2021 11:07:15   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
boberic wrote:
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so. But for all these flaws. in the country's 250 years it has brought more wealth to more of it's people than any country in history. Even the poor in America live more luxurious lives than does 80+ % of the words population. Why then do so many want to radically change that system. We are growing ever closer to a semi marxist ideal. Is it because people are to willing to believe that a socialist utopia can actually exist? Can't they see that ONLY a rigid dictatorship can enforce a socialist country. Don't give me the typical nonsense that this or that country has "some ' government run social programs (we do as well). But every long standing socialist/marxist country is controled by a very rigid dictatorship. WE are moving ever closer to such a system. Our young are being taught (indoctrinated) that thye US is an inherently evil place run by evil white supremicists. If a child has white skin he is an oppressor , and all people who do not have white wkin are oppressed. Cancel culture is rampant. Be very carerfull. The ultra leftists are behind these changes. They are willing to go very slow to gain their ideals. And they are winning. THey must be stopped and soon, or it will be too late. Who was it who said "All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing"
The U S has it's flaws. Some serious some less so... (show quote)


"every long standing socialist/marxist country is controled by a very rigid dictatorship." The reason why is because intelligent freedom loving people won't give up there property, liberty, and individual rights voluntarily for any reason.

However, a lot of weak minded people can be fooled and indoctrinated into it with free govt. handouts such as in Venezuaela and Cuba and presently in the Democrat party.

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Aug 2, 2021 15:44:43   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Fotoartist wrote:
"every long standing socialist/marxist country is controled by a very rigid dictatorship." The reason why is because intelligent freedom loving people won't give up there property, liberty, and individual rights voluntarily for any reason.

However, a lot of weak minded people can be fooled and indoctrinated into it with free govt. handouts such as in Venezuaela and Cuba and presently in the Democrat party.


The really sad part is that a large % of republicas can fall victim to a utopian ideal untill its too late to recover Wouldn't it be great if everydody got everything they wanted. And everybody worked at a job that they loved. No crime in the street. Ability to vote for valid politicians whu wanted the best? ITS AMZING how many would believe this is possible, IF ONLY a GOOD government would be elected

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Aug 3, 2021 09:09:18   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This text describes a central tenet of Egalitarianism: "everyone has everything they need, and nobody has more than they need."

I put it this way: Everyone has the same, and nobody has more than another. Believers call this condition "economic equality." Thereby, economic justice prevails.

This achievement fulfills the notion that equal rights means equal outcomes.

Astute readers will smell Marxism here.
captivecookie wrote:
Don't remember which of our historic figures said that, but I believe there is a lot of truth to it.

As a side note, I've been wondering, of late, how would we know that a socialist system works? I don't think it has yet, but until recently I haven't tried hard to think what the definition of success would be. My personal definition is something like: everyone has everything they need, and nobody has more than they need. The many times this has been tried around the world, not everyone had all they needed, and there were those at the top who certainly did have more than they needed.
Don't remember which of our historic figures said ... (show quote)

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