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May 19, 2021 12:33:05   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Who would use these cameras and for what?


Very high end professionals. Most two page spreads can be handled by 20mp to 30mp. Anything bigger is overkill and beyond what magazines can actually print in detail. For prints larger than 30" X 40" that people view from 12" away from the print, 100mp would be great. Otherwise, 20mp to 30mp would be more than adequate for probably 95% or more of us. And for some people and their "bragging rights". You know what I mean, "My camera has 100mp, and yours has only 30mp". It looks like 30mp will be the standard soon with Olympus and Panasonic going to 30mp.

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May 19, 2021 12:37:52   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
User ID wrote:
For a medium format user I guess that makes sense, the smaller handier camera has a different purpose if you own both.

Since my 50MP FF serves as my “medium format” or mini view camera, it gets used *only* in that way. For all other purposes I use much less cumbersome 24MP FF, or smaller, bodies.

The 50MP FF is more cumbersome cuz it has a grip for extra battery time due to mostly live view usage. There are more elegant high MP solutions, but this was cheap and I don’t need it every day :-)
For a medium format user I guess that makes sense,... (show quote)


One problem is that if you buy the 100MP camera, someone will come out with a 200MP camera before you have worn out the 100MP camera, then you will go nuts trying to decide whether to buy the new 200MP camera.

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May 19, 2021 12:41:32   #
BebuLamar
 
jackm1943 wrote:
One problem is that if you buy the 100MP camera, someone will come out with a 200MP camera before you have worn out the 100MP camera, then you will go nuts trying to decide whether to buy the new 200MP camera.


That is true but then the problem stems from you not the cameras.

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May 19, 2021 12:45:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Who would use these cameras and for what?


Just a few years ago about 35mp +- people were asking the same exact question.

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May 19, 2021 13:18:53   #
User ID
 
Fotoartist wrote:
So the assumption is that every part of a heavily cropped image has the same image quality, dynamic range, and tone as the image as a whole? And if it has a super large megapixel count, relatively the same sharpness?


“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”

He is pointing to the inconvenient truth that seems taboo in UHH discussions. If you lizzen to him your reality will cave in.

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May 19, 2021 13:26:36   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Who would use these cameras and for what?

Not nearly as impressive as the 576 MP cameras in your head...

bwa



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May 19, 2021 14:08:54   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
bwana wrote:
Not nearly as impressive as the 576 MP cameras in your head...

bwa


My eyes are pretty old, so probably have less.



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May 19, 2021 14:12:30   #
gouldopfl
 
The Canon EOS R5S hasn't been announced bit according to Canon rumors and others they believe it will be ~100 mp. This looks like it is being designed with the stills photographer. My question is how large a buffer will be needed so that it doesn't stall while writing out and I would guess that CF cards will be required. I don't believe that the Sony is made for the same market. Canon has been talking about a large sensor 80+ for a while. The R3 in development isn't the large megapixel and the R1 which will be the flagship hasn't had the specs leaked. If you look at past Canon flagship bodies they have not been high pixel counts.

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May 19, 2021 14:19:15   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Cellphones already have 100Mp cameras.
Are they great? Of course not...but the public doesn't care...100 is a magic number to a consumer.
Cameras have to keep up.
The reality of a rapidly shrinking photo market means it's better for companies to pare down their lines.
A 100MP camera does that.
Want FF? There it is in all its glory at 100MP...or 50MP...or 24 MP. Just choose what you want in the menu.
APSC? It's built right in...and better IQ as well.
The groundwork has been laid out.
Cellphones already have 100Mp cameras. br Are they... (show quote)

The main camera (out of 5) on the Samsung S21 Ultra 5G has 108 mp as well as a 40 mp selfie, a 12mp ultra wide and two 10 mp telephoto cameras with I believe 10x and 30x ranges.

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May 19, 2021 14:23:10   #
gouldopfl
 
Not the same thing. These are very small sensors compared to full frame sensors. I did read yesterday that Sony or Samsung is coming out with a 1 inch sensor but still not a 35mm equivalent.

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May 19, 2021 14:36:15   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
User ID wrote:
Big big Big BIG BIGGEST mostest huge HUMONGABOUS bowl plus a gallon of clarified melted butter .....


You need to keep abreast of the fashions where more than a handful is wasted

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May 19, 2021 15:08:39   #
BigOldArt Loc: Seminole, FL
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Who would use these cameras and for what?


It is possible that with time the cost of more megapixels will go down the way computer chips went down in price?

What is the tradeoff in dollars, weight, etc. between cropping to a faraway object or heavy expensive lenses?

Would the same charge-coupled device also be useful in telescopes or microscopes?

Take a picture of something moving fast and have it someplace in the picture?

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May 19, 2021 15:23:10   #
Muddyvalley Loc: McMinnville, Oregon
 
User ID wrote:
Yessirrr ! High MP is a fine way to show off hyper performance lenses. But there are four visible advantages to high MP cameras that have nothing to do with showing off your super premium lenses.

1. (Obviously) Cropping
2. Reduced aliasing
3. Reduced artifacts when sharpening
4. Better edges to selections when editing

No doubt higher MP calls for decent optics and technique, but the general idea that 50MP demands top shelf optics is just the usual BS of herd mentality gear worship.

My personal high MP cameras are 50 and 80MP. IOW I write about real use, I don’t re-re-re-parrot BS from “online experts”.

Whenever someone posts “wisdom” about using high MP cameras, if they neglect to mention their personal use of it, ask them about it. You must separate the parrots from the users if you want any actually *useful* info.

So Dirus, what high MP body are you using, and for what purpose ? Maybe just digitizing film, doesn’t hafta be uniquely earthshaking creative adventure, but do share about it.

Myself I’m very fond of brick walls ... not joking. Example below actually happens to be someone else’s work that I admire. At several hundred MP, it’s well beyond whatever I can attempt, but is EXACTLY my taste in brick walls ;-)
Yessirrr ! High MP is a fine way to show off hyper... (show quote)


And from looking at the metadata, the iphone 7 did a pretty good job of it @ 9.5mega pixels.
Best Western on the Hudson river?

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May 19, 2021 15:32:29   #
User ID
 
Cany143 wrote:
w/ parmesan?

I am locally famous, even notorious, fot Parmesan. I carry a jar with me, pre blended with garlic powder and charissa.

Be sitting at the bar eating Mac and Cheese and very often someone says it smells so great that they’re going to order it. I explain, show my jar, and welcome them to some for their dish.

Every Sunday AM I go out for sausage, butter, parmesian mix, butter, English muffins, and butter. Did I mention the butter ? Oh I did ? It takes a whole lotta lotsa butter to hold all that cheese onto the muffins (or popcorn) and sausage patty (too hard to get grated cheese to cling to links).

Food iis essentially just a foundation for supporting cheese. Below you can see The Notorious Jar. The additives cause some clumping and a darker color.

Now, aren’t you glad you asked ?
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12oz jar for about 12 English muffins
12oz jar for about 12 English muffins...
(Download)

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May 19, 2021 15:40:15   #
rlscholl Loc: California
 
Kodak found a market for Panatomic-X, even though Tri-X had a far higher demand. There have always been photographers seeking higher resolution.

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