Get it right vs fix it in post...
Apr 22, 2021 15:37:19 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Another can of worm I am willing to open... br br... (show quote)
"Get it right vs fix it in post" is a false dichotomy. But the nature of your post shows you know that. I do understand that others do not. I doubt there is much to be done to "fix" that in "post" or at any point.
Apr 22, 2021 15:37:51 #
Rongnongno wrote:
...Remember I am a staunch enemy of cropping/composition after the fact....[/b]
Naturally I try to get the exposure close enough so that only minimal processing is needed to correct it.
But cropping is frequently essential to my composition. I do not feel constrained by the aspect ratio of my sensor. Nor do I feel constrained by standard print sizes. Those are arbitrary things. Composition is independent of equipment.
I believe cropping/composition after the fact is acceptable if you took into consideration possible crops or composition at capture time rather than just trying to find something good from a random image.
Yes, shooting raw requires postprocessing. But one of the main reasons I shoot raw is that it forces me to use a postprocessing program. Since I use a postprocessing program I can use one with DAM, which addresses one of my primary weaknesses: my memory.
Apr 22, 2021 15:38:40 #
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
With my finger on the shutter release, my main concern is composition and overexposure, everything else I know I can change/recover/alter in post-production. Ansel Adams himself wrote extensively about his dodging and burning technique and how he arrived at his final images.
I'm just following in the Master's footsteps.
I'm just following in the Master's footsteps.
Apr 22, 2021 15:42:18 #
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
Apr 22, 2021 15:42:28 #
dsmeltz wrote:
"Get it right vs fix it in post" is a false dichotomy. But the nature of your post shows you know that. I do understand that others do not. I doubt there is much to be done to "fix" that in "post" or at any point.
Odd, works for me: First half & second half of creating an image one likes.
Sometimes the second half is not needed.
1. division into two parts, kinds, etc.; subdivision into halves or pairs.
Apr 22, 2021 15:51:12 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
Apr 22, 2021 16:00:13 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.
Adams did not get in right SOOC, but thank you for the opportunity to mansplain it.
The first image is a print made from the original negative of Moonrise over Hernandez. The second image is after extensive darkroom work.
Apr 22, 2021 16:01:51 #
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Adams did not get in right SOOC, but thank you for the opportunity to mansplain it.
The first image is a print made from the original negative of Moonrise over Hernandez. The second image is after extensive darkroom work.
The first image is a print made from the original negative of Moonrise over Hernandez. The second image is after extensive darkroom work.
He was ETTR before ETTR was cool.
Thankfully for all of us, he didn't have the experts on UHH telling him how he was doing it wrong, with all their charts and graphs and URLs to utube.Apr 22, 2021 16:18:10 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
He was ETTR before ETTR was cool. Thankfully for all of us, he didn't have the experts on UHH telling him how he was doing it wrong, with all their charts and graphs and URLs to utube.
Thankfully for all of us, he didn't have the experts on UHH telling him how he was doing it wrong, with all their charts and graphs and URLs to utube. Apr 22, 2021 16:22:15 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
Naturally I try to get the exposure close enough s... (show quote)
I agree with your view on cropping. Why should you be constrained by the sensor's geometry....
The purists insist on "proper" framing using the "right" lenses and/or proper positioning of the camera with respect to the subject. That's not always possible.
And with some shots you might have "pictures within a picture" that are worth playing with.
Apr 22, 2021 16:31:24 #
Did circumstances provide me with ideal conditions for taking the shot? If not, PP is required.
Does my camera provide me with captures that are every bit as good as what my eyes provide me with? If not, PP is required.
Does in-camera processing provide me with the same level of processing that my brain is constantly providing me with? If not, PP is required.
John used the term "enhancing". I prefer the term "optimising". How many SOOC images are so good that there's no room for enhancing? Whatever that number is, it's not as big as the number of shots that could benefit from optimising. Those who eschew the use of PP are producing photos that aren't as good as they could be. Personally I don't see anything virtuous in that.
Does my camera provide me with captures that are every bit as good as what my eyes provide me with? If not, PP is required.
Does in-camera processing provide me with the same level of processing that my brain is constantly providing me with? If not, PP is required.
John used the term "enhancing". I prefer the term "optimising". How many SOOC images are so good that there's no room for enhancing? Whatever that number is, it's not as big as the number of shots that could benefit from optimising. Those who eschew the use of PP are producing photos that aren't as good as they could be. Personally I don't see anything virtuous in that.
Apr 22, 2021 16:32:24 #
Apr 22, 2021 16:35:25 #
A camera sees the world differently than the human eye, so who cares what the camera saw?
Apr 22, 2021 16:43:06 #
1. For the most parts I simply shoot the pictures and see if it needs be or can be made better in post.
2. For serious work everything is planned ahead. I would shoot the pictures in a way that I can enhance it in post.
2. For serious work everything is planned ahead. I would shoot the pictures in a way that I can enhance it in post.
Apr 22, 2021 17:02:12 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Another can of worm I am willing to open... br br... (show quote)
Get it as right as you can when you press the shutter, then use the necessary post processing to reveal your creative intent. Unless you are working for hire, then you must answer to a higher power - the person footing the bill for your services.
Of course, PP can be used to fix mistakes. But it is not the only purpose. And experience has shown me that it is rarely possible to achieve perfection without some form of post processing. It's been that way for the 55 yrs I've been shooting pictures. And judging from the thousands of books on shooting and processing film, it had been going on since images were recorded with chemical processes to reveal them.
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