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Mar 16, 2021 17:42:49   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
Fair question.

While I like Backblaze due to their published reliability reports, willingness to accept uploads and provide downloads on HD, and their pricing, I would label them (and Carbonite) as second tier. I know less about Carbonite than Backblaze, so let me focus on BB. I have two main issues with them (and yes, I know lots of members use them). First and foremost is their lack of geographic distribution. Major providers, such as Amazon, keep 3-5 copies of your data at widely separate locations to mitigate a local disaster (such as the data center burning down) - your working copy is at the site geographically closest to you to minimize latency, and it is then mirrored to other sites across the country for geographic redundancy.

According to BB: “Accounts in our US-West region will store data in both Sacramento and Phoenix data centers. Accounts in our EU-Central region will store data in the Amsterdam datacenter.” Anything stored in CA better be backed up somewhere else, because if you were going to pick one area of the US subject to natural disasters (with the possible exception of FLA or the Gulf Coast in Hurricane season), it would be CA, so at least they have a second site. Now the east coast storage in the Netherlands would be an issue for two reasons. First, any data accessed to The Netherlands is going to be sent received via transAtlantic cable (maybe) or Satellite, and the latency is going to kill your performance. Remember, this is TCP/IP, so the packets have to be acknowledged. Secondly, there is no second site listed at all for the east coast, so no geographic redundancy. And I haven’t even touched on the potential laws and regulations that might affect your data in the Netherlands. For contrast, my data on Amazon S3 has a primary storage in VA, less than 300 miles away, and it’s mirrored to secondary sites in the Midwest and west coast. Contrast the latency of a 300 mile round trip hop to the almost 50,000 mile round trip via satellite or 6-8,000 miles via TA cable. That data is traveling about 1 ft/nsec, so you can do the latency calculations. Finally, BB is committed to using consumer rather than enterprise class drives (to save money). That and the smaller number of data centers is why their storage is so inexpensive. I’m sure there is redundancy, but from my experience specializing in enterprise storage for 25+ years for the largest storage companies in the world. That gives me pause, especially with one data center in the east.

I have cursorily researched Carbonite, but haven’t learned more about their data center location(s?) yet, but I’ll post the results when I learn more. Personally, I use Amazon S3 infrequent access (Amazon OWNS the cloud storage market with more market share than the next 4 largest competitors combined), but they do cost more than BB. BTW, according to Carbonate’s site, they host their server storage on Amazon S3 or Google, so they’re just an added cost middleman for that class of storage. They apparently know who has the most reliable cloud storage in the world.
Fair question. br br While I like Backblaze due t... (show quote)

Interesting.
It will also be interesting to see the results of your research on Carbonite.

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Mar 16, 2021 22:30:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Thanks for that. I have been away from printers for quite a while.

One thing I take from your comment is that you should probably avoid third-party ink suppliers unless you can be assured they use the archival quality ink. Cost of ink is one of the highly discussed topics here by people who print.


That's a great point. SOME third party inks can be trusted, while others cannot. Major inkjet supply houses usually sell decent inks... probably not as long-lasting as OEM, but better than the stuff you find at the strip mall cartridge refill sellers.

In the lab where I worked, we had four Epsons, and used 100% OEM inks and papers, after one of my employees convinced me to order a third party ink set. We had to have the print head in our 9600 replaced within days of loading the off-brand inks, an $1800 charge! It was the fifth head the service technician had replaced that week... He also had to replace the lines from the cartridges to the head...

We did charge enough for inkjet prints to make a higher margin than on conventional silver halide paper prints.

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Mar 17, 2021 18:18:18   #
jonyrot
 
I have been using M discs for some time now, while dvd storage is not the latest, this does work..

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Mar 17, 2021 18:56:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jonyrot wrote:
I have been using M discs for some time now, while dvd storage is not the latest, this does work..

What works, M disks?
or dvd.

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Mar 17, 2021 19:48:18   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
You are lucky , right now I am fighting with a disk from 2008 . Cant get it to load, nothing ! The drive doesnt even recognize the disk is there.

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Mar 18, 2021 00:33:45   #
smussler Loc: Land O Lakes, FL - Formerly Miller Place, NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
Interesting.
It will also be interesting to see the results of your research on Carbonite.


I've been using Carbonite and One Drive for years. Major problem (IMO) with Carbonite - if you accidently delete a file and not realize it, it automatically gets deleted from Carbonite in 30-60 days (depending on plan) - Really? - That's not a very good backup. What's nice about Carbonite - it has versioning, so if you need a prior version of an edited file, it's retrievable. With One Drive, an accidently deleted file can be retrieved years later. Been there, done that. That's a backup. my 2¢

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Mar 18, 2021 05:48:13   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
With hard drive prices around $.017/gb, the price of DVD storage at over $.04/gb is not a great way to go. I don't think that longevity is an issue anymore, unless you store them in hot, humid, uv-saturated environments.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00009195

https://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4/

Then there is the management of files- one would have to develop a database to index all the images and know where they are. Regular two-sided, double density disks can stre about 8.5gb - which would not be practical if one has 800 gb of material to archive - which would require about 100 disks. I'd rather spend my time more productively.

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Mar 18, 2021 07:37:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
smussler wrote:
I've been using Carbonite and One Drive for years. Major problem (IMO) with Carbonite - if you accidently delete a file and not realize it, it automatically gets deleted from Carbonite in 30-60 days (depending on plan) - Really? - That's not a very good backup. What's nice about Carbonite - it has versioning, so if you need a prior version of an edited file, it's retrievable. With One Drive, an accidently deleted file can be retrieved years later. Been there, done that. That's a backup. my 2¢
I've been using Carbonite and One Drive for years.... (show quote)


Well, if I delete a file, since I don't keep every local backup ever made, I'll loose it on my local after three backups also.
When I delete, I DELETE. (I'm careful.)
Like I'm going to figure three years from now, oh, wait, I deleted that three years ago. If I haven't needed it in three years, I'm going to suddenly need it?
Why would I want to backup deleted files?
Just my 2¢.

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Mar 18, 2021 08:39:43   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I have found occasion to revisit or use files from a decade or more ago.

For example, a friend's wife died last year. I went through my photos and found a couple photos from the early 2000's to contribute to the memorial.

I had not had occasion to do anything with those photos in years, but they are history. Who wants to delete history?

(OK, maybe some things from the past).

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Mar 18, 2021 08:44:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I have found occasion to revisit or use files from a decade or more ago.

For example, a friend's wife died last year. I went through my photos and found a couple photos from the early 2000's to contribute to the memorial.

But you didn't delete them and recover them from a ten year old backup?

I don't delete anything I want to keep.
Some images are from the early 50s.
I choose to keep them.

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Mar 18, 2021 08:48:23   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Longshadow wrote:
But you didn't delete them and recover them from a ten year old backup?

I don't delete anything I want to keep.
Some images are from the early 50s.
I choose to keep them.


True, I did not have to restore them from an old backup. But, worst case scenario, if my local backup gets trashed by the meteor that hits my house (while I'm not at home), I want all that old stuff in my cloud backup.

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Mar 18, 2021 08:54:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
True, I did not have to restore them from an old backup. But, worst case scenario, if my local backup gets trashed by the meteor that hits my house (while I'm not at home), I want all that old stuff in my cloud backup.


Exactly why I use the cloud.

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Mar 19, 2021 17:04:29   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
First, I'd consider the messenger(s) of HD failure. You said your CDs / DVDs go back to 2002. That's the age of my various HDs, particularly the smaller sizes that no long have an active / ongoing purpose. Never ever had a problem with any of these, always Western Digital (WD).

What has changed in the nearly 20 intervening years are (a) the way of the CD / DVD drive is going away. Laptops, for the most part, don't have drives anymore. I'd expect the same to occur in desktops. The (b) option of online (cloud) storage is now a consumer-grade option for many, not something of even 10 years ago.

At the minimum, if these image files have value, they should be on redundant storage, including at least one copy on a USB-connected device. What's important is a back-up media that is actively used and regularly confirmed, not in boxes and confirmed every other decade.
First, I'd consider the messenger(s) of HD failure... (show quote)


Yes, my current pc, an HP from 1999, did not come w/a DVD drive. Had to upload a special program to be able to watch movies. Thankfully it does have a CD drive so I could save my photos if I wanted to, maybe. BTW, I have CDs from 2003 on which my p[hotos are still perfect.

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Mar 19, 2021 17:39:45   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
[quote=spaceytracey]Yes, my current pc, an HP from 1999, did not come w/a DVD drive. Had to upload a special program to be able to watch movies. Thankfully it does have a CD drive so I could save my photos if I wanted to, maybe. BTW, I have CDs from 2003 on which my p[hotos are still perfect.[/quote]

Only you know what your photos are worth to you and how much effort is worth expending to keep them.

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Mar 19, 2021 17:44:41   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
Many are money-makers so, yeah, I'd like to keep them in good shape.

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