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Feb 13, 2021 16:33:31   #
lbrande
 
Biden to provide a $4 trillion tax plan, which will screw everyone.
From Forbes:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2020/11/02/bidens-tax-increase-on-death-that-no-one-is-talking-about/?sh=19c1ed9d376f

Biden’s Tax Increase On Death That No One Is Talking About
Robert W. Wood
Robert W. WoodContributor
Taxes
I focus on taxes and litigation.
Most people think primarily about income tax, not estate tax. That makes perfect sense, since very few people end up paying estate tax, or even having to worry about it at all. With a $23 million allowance per married couple going free of gift or estate tax, only those over that number face taxes. Yet Mr. Biden’s tax plans reflect a massive change in how income and estate taxes interact, amounting to a big tax increase that will transform income taxes on death. First, the obvious points. Biden has proposed taxing long-term capital gains and qualified dividends at ordinary income tax rates of 39.6 percent on income above $1 million. But how about on death? This is where the change is much bigger. Recall that Hillary Clinton proposed a 65% death tax for the very rich, and Bernie Sanders has more recently said he wants to drop the $11.5 million exemption to $3.5 million. Biden has been less clear, but has also suggested that the current exemption is too high. Yet Mr. Biden’s plan cuts deeper on many more regular people for much higher income taxes once you die. Here’s how. After the Democratic National Convention, Mr. Biden pledged 'no new taxes' on incomes under $400,000 and on mom & pop businesses, but some of the $4 trillion tax plan he previously rolled out suggests otherwise. Currently, up to $23 million per married couple can pass to one’s heirs free of federal gift and estate tax.

Diagram showing current trend of increasing Tax Rates.
Conceptual image on chalkboard. Diagram showing current trend of increasing Tax Rates. GETTY
However, income taxes are another matter, and that’s where Mr. Biden proposes big changes. Biden's plan could leave you paying higher income taxes after a death by repealing present law’s step-up in basis that increases the tax basis for inherited assets to their full fair market value upon death. Biden's tax plan calls for carrying over an asset’s tax basis from the the decedent to the next generation. No amount of estate tax exemption would help you, because this is a big income tax increase. Under present law, inherited property receives a full fair market value tax basis on death. The step-up in basis provides tax benefits for everyone passing down appreciated assets, including real estate, stock, family companies and more. For generations, assets held at death have received a stepped-up basis—to market value—when you die. Small businesses count on this. Say you have a family business worth $20 million that you started from scratch. How is it taxed if the married couple dies?

Right now, the business goes free of estate tax to the kids. If both parents die, the $23 million estate tax exemption should mean no estate tax for that $20 million business. And the business gets a step-up in basis for income taxes too. Say mom and dad die, and junior gets the stock in the family company. No matter how small mom and dad’s tax basis was in the stock, the stock gets stepped up to market value on death, $20 million. That way, junior can run the business, or can sell it for $20 million and should pay no income tax. Or, junior could try running the business for a year or two—it might even be worth $22 million then—but if he sells it, he has that $20 million date of death value basis. Of course, this example is simplistic, and ignores the fact that the business itself might make the sale. Most buyers won’t buy stock, and insist on buying assets, and the business would be taxed. Remember, on a business sale, the company, owners or both may have to pay the IRS.

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A hallmark of our estate tax system for generations is that everybody gets a stepped-up basis on death for income taxes. Mr. Biden’s proposal would tax an asset’s unrealized appreciation at transfer, so Junior gets taxed whether or not he sells the business. The idea that you could build up your small business and escape death tax and income tax to pass it to your kids is on the chopping block. By taxing the unrealized gain at death, heirs would get hit at the transfer, regardless of whether they sell the asset. In total, Mr. Biden has floated a $4 trillion tax plan, hiking income tax rates on households with taxable income over $400,000, according to a study done by the Tax Policy Center. Capital gains tax rates would soar too. Under current law, the long-term capital gain rate is 20% for those with over $441,451 in taxable income ($496,601 for married-filing-jointly). Biden’s proposal would subject capital gain to the same tax rate as ordinary income for incomes over $1 million. If subjecting appreciation in assets to income tax on death happens, small businesses and many other assets such as personal residences, could be in for even more income taxes.

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Feb 13, 2021 16:50:10   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
All hail! A Democrat Dystopia is coming.

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Feb 13, 2021 17:08:21   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
lbrande wrote:
Biden to provide a $4 trillion tax plan, which will screw everyone.
From Forbes:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2020/11/02/bidens-tax-increase-on-death-that-no-one-is-talking-about/?sh=19c1ed9d376f

Biden’s Tax Increase On Death That No One Is Talking About
Robert W. Wood
Robert W. WoodContributor
Taxes
I focus on taxes and litigation.
Most people think primarily about income tax, not estate tax. That makes perfect sense, since very few people end up paying estate tax, or even having to worry about it at all. With a $23 million allowance per married couple going free of gift or estate tax, only those over that number face taxes. Yet Mr. Biden’s tax plans reflect a massive change in how income and estate taxes interact, amounting to a big tax increase that will transform income taxes on death. First, the obvious points. Biden has proposed taxing long-term capital gains and qualified dividends at ordinary income tax rates of 39.6 percent on income above $1 million. But how about on death? This is where the change is much bigger. Recall that Hillary Clinton proposed a 65% death tax for the very rich, and Bernie Sanders has more recently said he wants to drop the $11.5 million exemption to $3.5 million. Biden has been less clear, but has also suggested that the current exemption is too high. Yet Mr. Biden’s plan cuts deeper on many more regular people for much higher income taxes once you die. Here’s how. After the Democratic National Convention, Mr. Biden pledged 'no new taxes' on incomes under $400,000 and on mom & pop businesses, but some of the $4 trillion tax plan he previously rolled out suggests otherwise. Currently, up to $23 million per married couple can pass to one’s heirs free of federal gift and estate tax.

Diagram showing current trend of increasing Tax Rates.
Conceptual image on chalkboard. Diagram showing current trend of increasing Tax Rates. GETTY
However, income taxes are another matter, and that’s where Mr. Biden proposes big changes. Biden's plan could leave you paying higher income taxes after a death by repealing present law’s step-up in basis that increases the tax basis for inherited assets to their full fair market value upon death. Biden's tax plan calls for carrying over an asset’s tax basis from the the decedent to the next generation. No amount of estate tax exemption would help you, because this is a big income tax increase. Under present law, inherited property receives a full fair market value tax basis on death. The step-up in basis provides tax benefits for everyone passing down appreciated assets, including real estate, stock, family companies and more. For generations, assets held at death have received a stepped-up basis—to market value—when you die. Small businesses count on this. Say you have a family business worth $20 million that you started from scratch. How is it taxed if the married couple dies?

Right now, the business goes free of estate tax to the kids. If both parents die, the $23 million estate tax exemption should mean no estate tax for that $20 million business. And the business gets a step-up in basis for income taxes too. Say mom and dad die, and junior gets the stock in the family company. No matter how small mom and dad’s tax basis was in the stock, the stock gets stepped up to market value on death, $20 million. That way, junior can run the business, or can sell it for $20 million and should pay no income tax. Or, junior could try running the business for a year or two—it might even be worth $22 million then—but if he sells it, he has that $20 million date of death value basis. Of course, this example is simplistic, and ignores the fact that the business itself might make the sale. Most buyers won’t buy stock, and insist on buying assets, and the business would be taxed. Remember, on a business sale, the company, owners or both may have to pay the IRS.

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A hallmark of our estate tax system for generations is that everybody gets a stepped-up basis on death for income taxes. Mr. Biden’s proposal would tax an asset’s unrealized appreciation at transfer, so Junior gets taxed whether or not he sells the business. The idea that you could build up your small business and escape death tax and income tax to pass it to your kids is on the chopping block. By taxing the unrealized gain at death, heirs would get hit at the transfer, regardless of whether they sell the asset. In total, Mr. Biden has floated a $4 trillion tax plan, hiking income tax rates on households with taxable income over $400,000, according to a study done by the Tax Policy Center. Capital gains tax rates would soar too. Under current law, the long-term capital gain rate is 20% for those with over $441,451 in taxable income ($496,601 for married-filing-jointly). Biden’s proposal would subject capital gain to the same tax rate as ordinary income for incomes over $1 million. If subjecting appreciation in assets to income tax on death happens, small businesses and many other assets such as personal residences, could be in for even more income taxes.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. It gives me something to look forward to.

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Feb 13, 2021 17:13:59   #
Triple G
 
Deferred taxation still comes due sometime! Just changes who is liable for the payment.

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Feb 14, 2021 10:19:08   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Triple G wrote:
Deferred taxation still comes due sometime! Just changes who is liable for the payment.


Deferred taxation? They've probably paid taxes all along the way to built the business to its current value.

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Feb 14, 2021 10:40:34   #
Triple G
 
SteveR wrote:
Deferred taxation? They've probably paid taxes all along the way to built the business to its current value.


Here’s a good explanation.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/20190312171146/The-Trade-offs-of-Repealing-Step-Up-in-Basis-FF-641.pdf

Much of Biden’s tax plan is to repeal trumps tax breaks for the rich.

https://money.usnews.com/financial-advisors/articles/financial-advisors-eye-bidens-plan-for-estate-taxes

https://taxfoundation.org/joe-biden-tax-plan-2020/

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Feb 14, 2021 10:45:34   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 


Okay, so they're property taxes. Why should the federal government get involved in property taxes and not the states? I'm dummy on this stuff, though. I just found out that we probably need a reversible trust to cover our property. I thought everything was covered in the dollar cap.

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Feb 14, 2021 10:51:07   #
Triple G
 
SteveR wrote:
Okay, so they're property taxes. Why should the federal government get involved in property taxes and not the states? I'm dummy on this stuff, though. I just found out that we probably need a reversible trust to cover our property. I thought everything was covered in the dollar cap.


Same reason they’re involved in estate, investment, and many other other assets as they’ve always been. Money for coffers.

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Feb 14, 2021 10:58:02   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Let get this straight !
Biden promised no tax increase fir this making under $400,000.

This article rants about that not being true . why ? Because the inheritance tax for over $23 million may go up or the capital gains tax may change.

Tell how does that affect individual taxes on those with incomes under $400,000 ?


How many couples making under $400,000!- year
Leave $23 million to heirs.

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Feb 14, 2021 11:28:50   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
Let get this straight !
Biden promised no tax increase fir this making under $400,000.

This article rants about that not being true . why ? Because the inheritance tax for over $23 million may go up or the capital gains tax may change.

Tell how does that affect individual taxes on those with incomes under $400,000 ?


How many couples making under $400,000!- year
Leave $23 million to heirs.


An awful lot of farmers and ranchers who own a lot of land.

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Feb 14, 2021 15:46:11   #
Triple G
 
btbg wrote:
An awful lot of farmers and ranchers who own a lot of land.


They’ll go back to planning succession like they’ve always done before the 2017 tax changes that are sun setting in 2025 anyway.

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Feb 14, 2021 20:49:05   #
btbg
 
Triple G wrote:
They’ll go back to planning succession like they’ve always done before the 2017 tax changes that are sun setting in 2025 anyway.


That might be true. I was just pointing out that there are people making $400,000 or less a year that have more than $23 million in assets. We will have to wait for the details.

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