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Jan 7, 2021 21:39:22   #
National Park
 
FrumCA wrote:
Putting aside the tragedy in Washington, with regard to the reference to Portland you know it too was a terrorist attack. Just be honest about it.


No, I'm not "putting aside" the "tragedy" in Washington, even though you apparently would like to.

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Jan 7, 2021 21:40:27   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
National Park wrote:
There are so many things wrong with this post that I don't know where to start. So I won't. You won't listen anyway.


I shudder when I think of him programming children.

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Jan 7, 2021 22:03:21   #
Tex-s
 
thom w wrote:
Plus I would imagine you don't really like your students going on to college and discovering that you have been feeding them crap.


If you think infantile insults have merit, value, or impact, think again. I fully admit my beliefs and attempt to defend them with logical thought and without logical fallacy. You have now made a dozen or so content-free insults after, maybe, reading one of my posts. In those you presume to 'know' something of my character. You know nothing of a man who has taught 1000's kids over 30 years. If you really want a clue about where I work and what and who my school teaches, here are a couple of clues.

1) We have a 3x5 foot metal sign at the front of our school promising any would-be shooters that the administration and/or teachers will be shooting back. We trust and love law enforcement, but when seconds matter, the nearest department is 30 minutes away.
2) There are no locks on the lockers in our entire school, except common dressing rooms that house visitors for sporting events. We teach civic duty, honesty, trustworthiness and character in general.
3) Our school is majority minority and ranks in the to 5% in the state in academic performance.
4) Every room and office in which I teach, and every dressing room with a team I coach has a paraphrased quote from Thucydides that reads :

Champions are surely those who have the clearest vision of the road before them; those who acknowledge that great effort, pain and sacrifice will met along that road, and who, nevertheless, enthusiastically choose to travel upon that road.

Then again, teaching, like preaching, is not really about the teacher, but the kids.

It's not a UHH hi res photo, but here are the types of kids we teach, coach, and nurture. These kids don't believe in some ethereal, omnipresent, systemic oppression. They believe in self, in each other, in personal accountability, and in effort. This was the mile relay race at the state championships from 2019. All 9 teams praying together before the race. Our team is dressed in brown, facing towards the camera, and sporting about 3/4 of the non-whites in that particular race.

Thank God for these kids and their families, and a hearty Amen (not a gendered word, by the way) to God for allowing my students to BE students this year, to compete, and to grow.


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Jan 7, 2021 22:12:02   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Tex-s wrote:
If you think infantile insults have merit, value, or impact, think again. I fully admit my beliefs and attempt to defend them with logical thought and without logical fallacy. You have now made a dozen or so content-free insults after, maybe, reading one of my posts. In those you presume to 'know' something of my character. You know nothing of a man who has taught 1000's kids over 30 years. If you really want a clue about where I work and what and who my school teaches, here are a couple of clues.

1) We have a 3x5 foot metal sign at the front of our school promising any would-be shooters that the administration and/or teachers will be shooting back. We trust and love law enforcement, but when seconds matter, the nearest department is 30 minutes away.
2) There are no locks on the lockers in our entire school, except common dressing rooms that house visitors for sporting events. We teach civic duty, honesty, trustworthiness and character in general.
3) Our school is majority minority and ranks in the to 5% in the state in academic performance.
4) Every room and office in which I teach, and every dressing room with a team I coach has a paraphrased quote from Thucydides that reads :

Champions are surely those who have the clearest vision of the road before them; those who acknowledge that great effort, pain and sacrifice will met along that road, and who, nevertheless, enthusiastically choose to travel upon that road.

Then again, teaching, like preaching, is not really about the teacher, but the kids.

It's not a UHH hi res photo, but here are the types of kids we teach, coach, and nurture. These kids don't believe in some ethereal, omnipresent, systemic oppression. They believe in self, in each other, in personal accountability, and in effort. This was the mile relay race at the state championships from 2019. All 9 teams praying together before the race. Our team is dressed in brown, facing towards the camera, and sporting about 3/4 of the non-whites in that particular race.

Thank God for these kids and their families, and a hearty Amen (not a gendered word, by the way) to God for allowing my students to BE students this year, to compete, and to grow.

If you think infantile insults have merit, value, ... (show quote)


I bet your students are very attentive to you because I think you are probably an engaging awesome teacher.
I can tell by your posts they are very thoughtful.
I think u said u coach football as well. I dare you probably get your players seriously well prepared
u get them fired up when it’s time to play.
Good job

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Jan 7, 2021 22:35:34   #
Tex-s
 
National Park wrote:
There are so many things wrong with this post that I don't know where to start. So I won't. You won't listen anyway.


I see you have resorted to the YouTube / Google method of debating facts and impacts. You slap your opinion on it, suggesting some incorrect content, but utterly refuse to provide any countervailing set of facts, logical conclusions or content. So, while my thoughts or arguments very well might have flaws, or I may have phrased something poorly, the venerable "nuh uh" response fails to illuminate such.

My post ran too long, but in it I suggested the Constitution was specifically designed to LIMIT government. You have evidence to the contrary?

I also suggested the VAST majority of Democrat policy proposals look to expand government interventions, and by necessity, reduce the individual's liberty. You have several policies proposed by the left designed to reduce government?

I made several a-b-c-d connections to bad government policy leading to a demand for more (IMO, bad) policy, and provided evidence of the progression. Are you suggesting Universities like Baylor have NOT spent in excess of 100 million on athletic facilities?

I simply say things like "there is, to my mind, NO legitimate WAY a man who was running 5th in the Democrat primaries, who has been a failed Presidential candidate 3 times before, having been driven out over proof of plagiarized speeches, who has 20 plus racist gaffes on video, who is clearly having trouble with his communications, who hid in a basement, who did not campaign, who is embracing 70% of Bernie Sanders' platform, who chose a running mate based ONLY on race and gender, and who admitted to strong-arming (blackmailing) Ukraine officials a few years back earned 10 million (15% increase) more votes than Barack Obama."

I also say things like "the mainstream media has probably swung public opinion by nearly 10 percentage points by virtue of their bolstering false accusations against the President and SCOTUS nominees and by suppressing verified accusations against Biden (or Hunter)." The same is true of downplaying riots and looting while falsely narrating lies surrounding Rittenhouse, Sandman, and Floyd, and while utterly ignoring other truths like the killing of Daniel Shaver and the fact Breonna Taylor's name was the name on the warrant being served the night her criminal boyfriend decided to shoot at police. She was NOT an innocent bystander.

Disagree if you like, and debate if you like, but please don't look to project authority and superior understanding if you refuse to debate the position.

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Jan 7, 2021 22:41:56   #
Tex-s
 
soba1 wrote:
I bet your students are very attentive to you because I think you are probably an engaging awesome teacher.
I can tell by your posts they are very thoughtful.
I think u said u coach football as well. I dare you probably get your players seriously well prepared
u get them fired up when it’s time to play.
Good job


Thanks. I'm a JH specialist in FB, and a varsity assistant. My job, generally, is to teach over-arching concepts like:

Football offenses endeavor to expand space and defenses must endeavor to constrict space. Translated, that guy is trying to push you HERE, and you must not allow that..... lol. I am, however, the 'good cop' on staff. Other coaches do most of the 'rah rah' pep talks and most of the angry corrections. I make bad puns and make fun of other coaches' bulging veins.

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Jan 7, 2021 22:59:22   #
FrumCA
 
National Park wrote:
No, I'm not "putting aside" the "tragedy" in Washington, even though you apparently would like to.

Your unwillingness to acknowledge the obvious terrorist activity that occurred in Portland reveals much about your lack of honesty not to mention the folly of your feeble effort to divert the topic to something else. Stop wasting my time with your utter BS.

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Jan 7, 2021 23:04:46   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Tex-s wrote:
Thanks. I'm a JH specialist in FB, and a varsity assistant. My job, generally, is to teach over-arching concepts like:

Football offenses endeavor to expand space and defenses must endeavor to constrict space. Translated, that guy is trying to push you HERE, and you must not allow that..... lol. I am, however, the 'good cop' on staff. Other coaches do most of the 'rah rah' pep talks and most of the angry corrections. I make bad puns and make fun of other coaches' bulging veins.


Youre quite welcome. You are very blessed.

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Jan 7, 2021 23:07:10   #
cwp3420
 
gorgehiker wrote:
If you are saying that Democrats have done what Trump supporters are now doing in the Capital Building, you are lying again.


Nope, he’s right.

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Jan 7, 2021 23:08:31   #
cwp3420
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Your thinking is as twisted as Trump’s. Storming the capital to stop an election proceeding with the consent of their God. That is sedition.


Nice anti-Christian bigoted reply. You should be more tolerant. Isn’t that what your side tells us? Hypocrite.

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Jan 8, 2021 07:35:16   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
FrumCA wrote:
Putting aside the tragedy in Washington, with regard to the reference to Portland you know it too was a terrorist attack. Just be honest about it.


Two days ago, a crazed mob of terrorists dressed head to toe in Trump gear and incited by your dangerous cult leader hero, invaded our sacred Capitol Building and beat a policeman to death. You want to put that "aside" and talk about what happened in Portland last summer. Just another ridiculous Trump fool. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Jan 8, 2021 07:44:05   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
gorgehiker wrote:
If you are saying that Democrats have done what Trump supporters are now doing in the Capital Building, you are lying again.


guess you have not heard of Portland, Ferguson, etc etc

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Jan 8, 2021 08:15:12   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
wilpharm wrote:
guess you have not heard of Portland, Ferguson, etc etc


Actually, I am a well-informed person who pays attention to a variety of news sources with different viewpoints. I strongly believe in our First Amendment right to peacefully protest. I strongly condemn all violence, including the violent actions of some of last summer's protesters. Wednesday was a historic day. American citizens, dressed head to toe in Trump gear, attacked our country's most important center of government after being incited by the lies of Donald Trump, Donnie Jr, Rudy, etc. These poor fools were led to believe that the election had been stolen but could be overturned by an illegal act if the Vice President would simply cooperate by ignoring our constitution. They looted and vandalized the Capitol Building and beat a police officer to death. All of this unfolded before our eyes on national and international television, and the far right talking point is, "We won't talk about what happened in Washington Wednesday. We will just keep talking about what happened last summer in Portland". Wake up!

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Jan 8, 2021 09:20:21   #
FrumCA
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Two days ago, a crazed mob of terrorists dressed head to toe in Trump gear and incited by your dangerous cult leader hero, invaded our sacred Capitol Building and beat a policeman to death. You want to put that "aside" and talk about what happened in Portland last summer. Just another ridiculous Trump fool. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Its a mystery how you arrive at this conclusion as I was simply pointing out two distictive terrorist events. Its clear that you are the fool with end-state TDS for being unable to distinguish between two separate issues. You claim to be well informed but it's clear from your inability to stay on point that you aren't.

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Jan 8, 2021 10:59:10   #
btbg
 
mwalsh wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning either...

Just because state and local officials MAY have bent the rules...all the votes cast in good faith should be thrown out???

Punish the actual law breakers (law makers and judges) not the innocent voters.


I have never said that the votes cast in good faith should be thrown out. I have only said that since election law was illegally changed the results are not legitimate.

I'm fully in support of punishing the actual law breakers. But, this should never have happened. John Roberts is to blame. There were three of the eight supreme court justices (remember there were only eight at the time) who were willing to hear several of the court cases prior to the election. Roberts refused to hear any that the original court cases were filed in state court.

So, now here we are. Had the supreme court just done their job prior to the election we wouldn't have this problem. The results have to stand, but the election will never be legitimate. The rule of law matters and if we are going to continue to have a free republic, must be followed, no matter who must be prosecuted on either side of the political fence.

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