The frequent discussions (arguments?) about shooting raw vs. jpg leave me confused.
Jan 2, 2021 12:24:01 #
controversy
Loc: Wuhan, China
David Taylor wrote:
Yes, use raw to cover up your inadequacies.
As mentioned in my post, the comments were about image processing and assumed the photographer was able to get composition and exposure correct when capturing an image - that's "getting it right," isn't it? I don't understand how changing in-camera jpg processing settings has anything at all to do with "getting it right."
The question was simply whether the most prudent path toward insuring a good resulting processed image was whether to do the processing in-camera (one and done) or shoot raw and then use the camera manufacturer's software to apply one's chosen "in-camera" settings to "get it right" outside the camera - and to use the software implementation of the manufacturer's "in-camera" settings (EXACTLY the same controls as in-camera) to change settings until you do "get it right."
Jan 2, 2021 12:35:02 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
repleo wrote:
I don't see why you are confused. You seem to have written a pretty balanced view of the RAW vs JPEG subject.
If I just want to record what is 'there' or 'what the eye sees' I shoot JPEG and the camera will 'get it right'. If I want to create what my mind sees, or what I want it to see, I shoot RAW.
JPEG is for recording an image, RAW is for creating an image. As you point out, they are both processed images.
If I just want to record what is 'there' or 'what the eye sees' I shoot JPEG and the camera will 'get it right'. If I want to create what my mind sees, or what I want it to see, I shoot RAW.
JPEG is for recording an image, RAW is for creating an image. As you point out, they are both processed images.
Yours is an oversimplified and incorrect assumption. Shooting in raw and post-processing I can get an image much closer to what I actually saw than I could with any jpeg SOOC.
Like post processed raw files, SOOC jpegs are also processed from the captured raw data. The main difference is that JPEGs are processed in-camera using a very limited number of processing tools with very little user control over them. Those in camera post processing decisions have been primarily made by someone else and takes control away from the photographer.
Jan 2, 2021 12:35:36 #
Jan 2, 2021 12:36:39 #
controversy
Loc: Wuhan, China
mwsilvers wrote:
Yours is an oversimplified and incorrect assumptio... (show quote)
Sounds like exactly what I wrote in the original post.
Jan 2, 2021 12:39:42 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
David Taylor wrote:
You're all hiding behind post processing.
Do you really not understand that your JPEGs are also post processed from raw data within your camera with a very limited number of post-processing tools over which you have very little control? If you do not understand that then you do not really know much about how a modern camera works.
Shoot in JPEG SOOC if you prefer but do not assume that those who shoot in raw and post-process are not equally or better skilled photographers than you are.
Jan 2, 2021 12:42:41 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
controversy wrote:
Sounds like exactly what I wrote in the original post.
I think that you and I are pretty much in agreement on this subject
Jan 2, 2021 12:43:05 #
mwsilvers wrote:
Do you really not understand that your JPEGs are also post processed from raw data within your camera with a very limited number of post-processing tools over which you have very little control? If you do not understand that then you do not really know much about how a modern camera works.
Fully aware, thank you. I can still see you hiding.
Jan 2, 2021 12:43:10 #
controversy
Loc: Wuhan, China
David Taylor wrote:
You're all hiding behind post processing.
Since all camera sensors (including yours) ONLY capture raw files that can then be post-processed and saved as jpgs according to the in-camera post-processing settings/options YOU have chosen, does that mean you're "hiding behind post-processing," too?
Jan 2, 2021 12:44:28 #
controversy
Loc: Wuhan, China
mwsilvers wrote:
I think that you and I are pretty much in agreement on this subject
Absolutely.
Jan 2, 2021 12:46:18 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
David Taylor wrote:
Fully aware, thank you. I can still see you hiding.
Wow, you really seem clueless on this subject. I honestly do not intend this to be insulting but you seem blind to what many other people can see.
Jan 2, 2021 12:49:00 #
controversy wrote:
Sounds like exactly what I wrote in the original post.
And yet everyone keeps justifying their decision, using the same reasons, as to which method they use.
Or are they trying to convince people to use their method for their reasons?
Some people don't care/need to use RAW. Doesn't make it wrong.
Some people prefer paper maps instead of an electronic navigator.
Some people are still using their 7+ year old cell phone.
Jan 2, 2021 12:53:17 #
controversy wrote:
Since all camera sensors (including yours) ONLY capture raw files that can then be post-processed and saved as jpgs according to the in-camera post-processing settings/options YOU have chosen, does that mean you're "hiding behind post-processing," too?
No.
Jan 2, 2021 12:54:07 #
David Taylor wrote:
You're all hiding behind post processing.
Not all of us can take perfect pictures that we feel need no post processing.
Some like to see if the images may be enhanced.
Simply a tool.
Jan 2, 2021 12:54:29 #
mwsilvers wrote:
Wow, you really seem clueless on this subject. I honestly do not intend this to be insulting but you seem blind to what many other people can see.
You do not know what I know.
Jan 2, 2021 12:54:56 #
Longshadow wrote:
Not all of us can take perfect pictures that we feel need no post processing.
Some like to see if the images may be enhanced.
Simply a tool.
Some like to see if the images may be enhanced.
Simply a tool.
Some.
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