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Nov 24, 2020 11:18:54   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
There is no doubt that the US is very divided right now, and almost smack down the middle. I don't believe that the country at large thinks this kind of division and impasse is a good thing. I believe each side would be happy to see a more united country... as long as the other side comes around to their side.

How can that EVER happen with the current attitudes?

With the Biden win it appears that the left is saying to the right, "Give it up; it is over; bury the hatchet; lay down your swords; let's stop the bickering and begin to cooperate."

But the right is saying, "Look at how you treated us for the past 4 years! You NEVER supported Trump in anything; Russia, Russia, Russia; impeachment; blame for the pandemic; ... etc, etc."

So I see this as a payback issue; a tit-for-tat; a "you didn't, so why should I?" It appears that both sides might be willing to come together as long as they feel that they have been treated "fairly." I get the sense that each side feels that the other currently has a lead, and that discrepancy needs to be evened out before cooperation is possible.

If it is, in fact, a score-settling battle then perhaps we need to see the scoreboard.

My question to the left: is it right/fair to expect the republicans to just stop/forgive/forget?
My question to the right: at what point would you say the score is even and you can move forward together?

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Nov 24, 2020 11:38:09   #
wjones8637 Loc: Burleson, TX
 
Over the years I have seen the country become more polarized (right-Left, have-have not. etc.) refusing to budge from their respective dogmas. I believe that the country at large needs to find/develop someone that is a true statesman that can work with all groups to find the middle ground which will allow us to move forward. Regardless of their political persuasion such an individual is badly needed.

Bill

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Nov 24, 2020 12:07:18   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
There is no doubt that the US is very divided right now, and almost smack down the middle. I don't believe that the country at large thinks this kind of division and impasse is a good thing. I believe each side would be happy to see a more united country... as long as the other side comes around to their side.

How can that EVER happen with the current attitudes?

With the Biden win it appears that the left is saying to the right, "Give it up; it is over; bury the hatchet; lay down your swords; let's stop the bickering and begin to cooperate."

But the right is saying, "Look at how you treated us for the past 4 years! You NEVER supported Trump in anything; Russia, Russia, Russia; impeachment; blame for the pandemic; ... etc, etc."

So I see this as a payback issue; a tit-for-tat; a "you didn't, so why should I?" It appears that both sides might be willing to come together as long as they feel that they have been treated "fairly." I get the sense that each side feels that the other currently has a lead, and that discrepancy needs to be evened out before cooperation is possible.

If it is, in fact, a score-settling battle then perhaps we need to see the scoreboard.

My question to the left: is it right/fair to expect the republicans to just stop/forgive/forget?
My question to the right: at what point would you say the score is even and you can move forward together?
There is no doubt that the US is very divided righ... (show quote)


A more united country would be a country run amuck, our system works well with division, but peaceful division. The parties keep each other in check, which in turn keeps the Govt. in check. There is a Revolution of Color in this nation at the moment and as soon as the Citizens wake up it will be put down, but there is little hope that the TV and internet will allow that to happen.

I heard a Civil Rights attorney say that when you read news and cannot determine which side the reporter is on, you have found a true News Story, not hyped up opinion.

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Nov 24, 2020 12:10:34   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JohnFrim wrote:
There is no doubt that the US is very divided right now, and almost smack down the middle. I don't believe that the country at large thinks this kind of division and impasse is a good thing. I believe each side would be happy to see a more united country... as long as the other side comes around to their side.

How can that EVER happen with the current attitudes?

With the Biden win it appears that the left is saying to the right, "Give it up; it is over; bury the hatchet; lay down your swords; let's stop the bickering and begin to cooperate."

But the right is saying, "Look at how you treated us for the past 4 years! You NEVER supported Trump in anything; Russia, Russia, Russia; impeachment; blame for the pandemic; ... etc, etc."

So I see this as a payback issue; a tit-for-tat; a "you didn't, so why should I?" It appears that both sides might be willing to come together as long as they feel that they have been treated "fairly." I get the sense that each side feels that the other currently has a lead, and that discrepancy needs to be evened out before cooperation is possible.

If it is, in fact, a score-settling battle then perhaps we need to see the scoreboard.

My question to the left: is it right/fair to expect the republicans to just stop/forgive/forget?
My question to the right: at what point would you say the score is even and you can move forward together?
There is no doubt that the US is very divided righ... (show quote)


Do you remember how the Trump people were doxing Hillary supporters and saying they should be blacklisted?

Have you noticed how the Trump people are beating Biden supporters with bicycle locks?

Neither do I.

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Nov 24, 2020 12:29:52   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
letmedance wrote:
A more united country would be a country run amuck, our system works well with division, but peaceful division. The parties keep each other in check, which in turn keeps the Govt. in check. There is a Revolution of Color in this nation at the moment and as soon as the Citizens wake up it will be put down, but there is little hope that the TV and internet will allow that to happen.

I heard a Civil Rights attorney say that when you read news and cannot determine which side the reporter is on, you have found a true News Story, not hyped up opinion.
A more united country would be a country run amuck... (show quote)


I am not suggesting a one-party love-in. That will never happen. Of course having differing opinions and perspectives is good and makes for healthy debate.

What is not good is entering the discussion room with the attitude that you will not yield. Or worse, no matter what the other side proposes you will simply oppose it. McConnell and Trump are good examples of the latter. McConnell publicly said his objective was to ensure that Obama be a one-term president, and he would not do anything to support him. Trump set out to undo everything Obama did, without ever considering if it was good or if a small tweak would fix the issue.

I would never expect the minority party to agree with everything the majority party pushed or proposed. Compromise is the only way for two sides to get anything done, so there has to be negotiation with give and take. My fear is that the right feels there is a score to settle BEFORE that dealing can ever take place.

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Nov 24, 2020 12:32:15   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
LWW wrote:
Do you remember how the Trump people were doxing Hillary supporters and saying they should be blacklisted?

Have you noticed how the Trump people are beating Biden supporters with bicycle locks?

Neither do I.


So I assume you are saying such acts have been committed by Biden people. Do you have links to reputable sources that document such activity? I have not seen them (I know, I am watching the wrong channels; but indulge/educate me).

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Nov 24, 2020 12:41:53   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I am not suggesting a one-party love-in. That will never happen. Of course having differing opinions and perspectives is good and makes for healthy debate.

What is not good is entering the discussion room with the attitude that you will not yield. Or worse, no matter what the other side proposes you will simply oppose it. McConnell and Trump are good examples of the latter. McConnell publicly said his objective was to ensure that Obama be a one-term president, and he would not do anything to support him. Trump set out to undo everything Obama did, without ever considering if it was good or if a small tweak would fix the issue.

I would never expect the minority party to agree with everything the majority party pushed or proposed. Compromise is the only way for two sides to get anything done, so there has to be negotiation with give and take. My fear is that the right feels there is a score to settle BEFORE that dealing can ever take place.
I am not suggesting a one-party love-in. That will... (show quote)


The Right feels that it is justified and that turnabout is fair play.

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Nov 24, 2020 12:47:48   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
There is no doubt that the US is very divided right now, and almost smack down the middle. I don't believe that the country at large thinks this kind of division and impasse is a good thing. I believe each side would be happy to see a more united country... as long as the other side comes around to their side.

How can that EVER happen with the current attitudes?

With the Biden win it appears that the left is saying to the right, "Give it up; it is over; bury the hatchet; lay down your swords; let's stop the bickering and begin to cooperate."

But the right is saying, "Look at how you treated us for the past 4 years! You NEVER supported Trump in anything; Russia, Russia, Russia; impeachment; blame for the pandemic; ... etc, etc."

So I see this as a payback issue; a tit-for-tat; a "you didn't, so why should I?" It appears that both sides might be willing to come together as long as they feel that they have been treated "fairly." I get the sense that each side feels that the other currently has a lead, and that discrepancy needs to be evened out before cooperation is possible.

If it is, in fact, a score-settling battle then perhaps we need to see the scoreboard.

My question to the left: is it right/fair to expect the republicans to just stop/forgive/forget?
My question to the right: at what point would you say the score is even and you can move forward together?
There is no doubt that the US is very divided righ... (show quote)


John, you are really missing the biggest issue, the 2 ton elephant in the room so to speak, it is not about payback, we actually feel that the democrats cheated in this election, that has yet to be proven but that is something that is not to be forgiven if shown to be true. The other thing is that we have completely different ideologies and views of where the focus of the federal government should be. There is no healing, there is no moving forward as the left will never moderate, they only want more and more change in their search for some sort of nirvana which they will never achieve and only lay lives to ruin in their quest. Three largest polluters in the world, China, India, and Russia, yet the libs will send our jobs over to these countries where we won't see the environmental impact as they make Americans poorer through the loss of high paying jobs and our energy costs much more expensive. That is just one example of the many insane elements of the progressive agenda.

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Nov 24, 2020 12:57:40   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
LWW wrote:
Do you remember how the Trump people were doxing Hillary supporters and saying they should be blacklisted?

Have you noticed how the Trump people are beating Biden supporters with bicycle locks?

Neither do I.


No but I do remember how it was handled in the 1860's! And prior.



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Nov 24, 2020 12:59:23   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
JohnFrim wrote:
So I assume you are saying such acts have been committed by Biden people. Do you have links to reputable sources that document such activity? I have not seen them (I know, I am watching the wrong channels; but indulge/educate me).

https://www.newsmax.com/john-gizzi/shinkle-biden-michigan-canvassers/2020/11/24/id/998493/

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Nov 24, 2020 13:01:33   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
JohnFrim wrote:
So I assume you are saying such acts have been committed by Biden people. Do you have links to reputable sources that document such activity? I have not seen them (I know, I am watching the wrong channels; but indulge/educate me).

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/19/wayne-county-canvassers-doxxed-threatened/6340324002/

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Nov 24, 2020 13:02:24   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
JohnFrim wrote:
So I assume you are saying such acts have been committed by Biden people. Do you have links to reputable sources that document such activity? I have not seen them (I know, I am watching the wrong channels; but indulge/educate me).

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-wayne-county-michigan-election-board-republicans-rescind-votes-certifying-results-file-affidavits-families-threatened/

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Nov 24, 2020 13:20:58   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JohnFrim wrote:
So I assume you are saying such acts have been committed by Biden people. Do you have links to reputable sources that document such activity? I have not seen them (I know, I am watching the wrong channels; but indulge/educate me).


I’ve played this game before John.

You make baseless claims without backup, then demand backup to any dissent ... and when provided you either question their credibility or runaway,

I could explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you.

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Nov 24, 2020 13:27:29   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
LWW wrote:
I’ve played this game before John.

You make baseless claims without backup, then demand backup to any dissent ... and when provided you either question their credibility or runaway,

I could explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you.


You can't educate a liberal. They think they already are.

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Nov 24, 2020 13:30:55   #
Rose42
 
JohnFrim wrote:
There is no doubt that the US is very divided right now, and almost smack down the middle. I don't believe that the country at large thinks this kind of division and impasse is a good thing. I believe each side would be happy to see a more united country... as long as the other side comes around to their side.

How can that EVER happen with the current attitudes?

With the Biden win it appears that the left is saying to the right, "Give it up; it is over; bury the hatchet; lay down your swords; let's stop the bickering and begin to cooperate."

But the right is saying, "Look at how you treated us for the past 4 years! You NEVER supported Trump in anything; Russia, Russia, Russia; impeachment; blame for the pandemic; ... etc, etc."

So I see this as a payback issue; a tit-for-tat; a "you didn't, so why should I?" It appears that both sides might be willing to come together as long as they feel that they have been treated "fairly." I get the sense that each side feels that the other currently has a lead, and that discrepancy needs to be evened out before cooperation is possible.

If it is, in fact, a score-settling battle then perhaps we need to see the scoreboard.

My question to the left: is it right/fair to expect the republicans to just stop/forgive/forget?
My question to the right: at what point would you say the score is even and you can move forward together?
There is no doubt that the US is very divided righ... (show quote)


The only way the divide will heal is with a leader. A JFK or RFK type. Biden isn’t a leader nor is Harris.

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