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Nov 3, 2020 08:53:22   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
All those without nuclear weapons voted for the ban. It's like those without trying to take away from those who have. Ok, so send in UN Forces to enforce the law. Start with China. See how that works out.

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Nov 3, 2020 08:56:24   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
When the powers that be FORGET what a destructive force hides under that launch button, or develop even more cavalier attitudes about the use of same, the danger could become very real. However, for those who seek a greatly reduced population and a new world order, if they survive the Nuclear Winter (for however long it takes) they will rule whatever landscape is left...............possibly unopposed.........

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Nov 3, 2020 09:01:09   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
halraiser wrote:
The treaty with Iran was an abomination. Not really enforceable and even its supporters agreed that after ten years it would allow the Iranians to develop nukes.


Their facilities were being regularly inspected and monitored by the IAEA, so yes, it was being enforced. Now what do you have? They are no longer complying, enriching beyond the percentage necessary for power plant/medical use and, given the current crippling sanctions, will have every incentive to build weapons, which Israel will never allow by destroying all the facilities it can with whatever force necessary. And you think this is a better solution? Apparently certain people didn’t learn enough history from WWI to see what happens when you force a potentially belligerent and proud country to it’s knees with crippling sanctions. Those sort of zero sum games never work for long unless you’re OK with them leading to war.

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Nov 3, 2020 09:06:03   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ad9mac wrote:
Both countries violating the treaties and tying our hands to do anything about it.
He didn't send billions of dollars, some in pallets of cash to Iran to be used for their nuke program and terrorism around the world. The last administration did.

Your TDS is showing.


You are misrepresenting the reason for the payment(s) to Iran. It was their money owed to them that had been embargoed/held by the US and released as part of the treaty. So my question to you is what do we have now? Continued unmonitored and uncontrolled enrichment beyond peaceful use percentages that can only have one end - attack on their facilities by Israel or us. I’m by no means saying that Iran is a victim or “good guys”, I’m saying what we had (the treaty) was better than what we have now, which is their unmonitored, uncontrolled production of nuclear fuel, slowly approaching bomb grade percentages, that can be sold or provided to any terrorist country or organization.

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Nov 3, 2020 09:35:24   #
jiminnee
 
John_F wrote:
Nuclear ban treaty

Seventy-five years after their destructive power was first unleashed, nuclear weapons are about to be officially and explicitly prohibited by international law. For the average person, it may come as a surprise to know that nuclear weapons, dreadful as they are, weren’t already outlawed. But for the vast majority of nuclear weapons experts, the ban will arrive far sooner than expected.
The Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, informally called the ban treaty, was adopted with the approval of 122 countries at the United Nations in July 2017. It forbids anything and everything related to nuclear weapons, including their development and possession. It also obligates countries that join it to provide support to the victims of nuclear weapons testing and use, and to undertake environmental cleanup.
But to enter into legal force, the treaty needed more than just a vote at the United Nations; it needed ratification by at least 50 countries. It achieved that mark on October 24, after Jamaica, Nauru, and Honduras deposited the 48th, 49th, and 50th ratifications in rapid succession over the course of several days. Accordingly, the treaty will become official international law 90 days hence, on January 22, 2021.

https://thebulletin.org/2020/10/the-nuclear-ban-treaty-is-set-to-enter-force-experts-explain-what-comes-next/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=MondayNewsletter11022020&utm_content=NuclearRisk_BanTreaty_10302020


https://tinyurl.com/yxhth8p8
Nuclear ban treaty br br Seventy-five years after... (show quote)


Remember that we are at a disadvantage in any treaty that one or more of the other parties decides not to honor. If we honor the treaty then we are obliged to use only conventional weapons in case of war. At least that's my understanding of it. The opposing nation/nations may not feel this way & our conventional troop strength & weapons may not be enough. So, I don't see it working very well.

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Nov 3, 2020 09:36:55   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
TriX wrote:
Their facilities were being regularly inspected and monitored by the IAEA, so yes, it was being enforced. Now what do you have? They are no longer complying, enriching beyond the percentage necessary for power plant/medical use and, given the current crippling sanctions, will have every incentive to build weapons, which Israel will never allow by destroying all the facilities it can with whatever force necessary. And you think this is a better solution? Apparently certain people didn’t learn enough history from WWI to see what happens when you force a potentially belligerent and proud country to it’s knees with crippling sanctions. Those sort of zero sum games never work for long unless you’re OK with them leading to war.
Their facilities were being regularly inspected an... (show quote)


Those crippling sanctions have taken Iran out of the equation in the Middle East, which has led to the multiple peace accords recognizing the right of Israel to exist as a nation with the result of trade beginning between these countries. Watch for more peace accords, all as a result of Trump's intervention int he region and stifling of Iran. The deal with Iran merely delayed things by, what, ten years? It was no solution. What you're seeing now you'd be seeing in 2030.

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Nov 3, 2020 09:42:43   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
ad9mac wrote:
Both countries violating the treaties and tying our hands to do anything about it.
He didn't send billions of dollars, some in pallets of cash to Iran to be used for their nuke program and terrorism around the world. The last administration did.

Your TDS is showing.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/13/president-trumps-claim-that-democrats-gave-iran-billion/

Stan

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Nov 3, 2020 10:00:03   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SteveR wrote:
Those crippling sanctions have taken Iran out of the equation in the Middle East, which has led to the multiple peace accords recognizing the right of Israel to exist as a nation with the result of trade beginning between these countries. Watch for more peace accords, all as a result of Trump's intervention int he region and stifling of Iran. The deal with Iran merely delayed things by, what, ten years? It was no solution. What you're seeing now you'd be seeing in 2030.


As I said, we have apparently forgotten the result of the crushing sanctions/reparations imposed on Germany after WWI, which was one of the chief reasons for the rise of fascism and WWII. The United States wisely decided not to repeat that mistake with Japan, which today is a productive, non militaristic democratic society and our Allie. Push proud and militant countries into a corner, and the inevitable result is that they wil lash out in any way possible. The recent rapprochement between Jordan and Israel has everything to do with trade and money and nothing to do with the sanctions on Iran.

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Nov 3, 2020 10:43:13   #
G. Crook Loc: Linden, TX
 
Good luck selling that ban to North Korea and Iran.

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Nov 3, 2020 11:56:26   #
halraiser
 
The 10 year delay was a mirage, no real enforcement and evidence indicates that Iran went right ahead with their nuclear program.

And real diplomacy? Which administration has managed several agreements between Israel and Arabic countries? We have to wait to see if those agreements will hold up, but that is more progress than we've seen since WWII toward peace in that region.

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Nov 3, 2020 12:32:19   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
halraiser wrote:
The 10 year delay was a mirage, no real enforcement and evidence indicates that Iran went right ahead with their nuclear program...


Rather than repeating the administration’s political (and inaccurate) position, let me suggest that you actually go to the source for your information: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran

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Nov 3, 2020 12:51:34   #
ad9mac
 
Their facilities were being regularly inspected and monitored by the IAEA, so yes, it was being enforced. Now what do you have?
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Some of their facilities were being inspected. Iran refused on some of their most secret sites.
That was the problem.
The argument that Iran is enriching uranium only to peaceful fissile levels is the wrong way to look at it.
To that level is most of the work.
So Iran allows us to inspect the 'peaceful' process but not the high enriched material.
Here is a blurb..
https://tutorials.nti.org/nuclear-101/uranium-enrichment/
Starting out with natural uranium, a facility with nearly 6,000 early-generation centrifuges could produce about 40 kg of weapons-grade uranium within a year. [3]
If material pre-enriched to 3.5% uranium-235 is used, a facility with the same capacity could produce about 180 kg of weapons-grade uranium per year. [4]

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Nov 3, 2020 13:02:46   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ad9mac wrote:
Their facilities were being regularly inspected and monitored by the IAEA, so yes, it was being enforced. Now what do you have?
...................
Some of their facilities were being inspected. Iran refused on some of their most secret sites.
That was the problem.
The argument that Iran is enriching uranium only to peaceful fissile levels is the wrong way to look at it.
To that level is most of the work.
So Iran allows us to inspect the 'peaceful' process but not the high enriched material.
Here is a blurb..
https://tutorials.nti.org/nuclear-101/uranium-enrichment/
Starting out with natural uranium, a facility with nearly 6,000 early-generation centrifuges could produce about 40 kg of weapons-grade uranium within a year. [3]
If material pre-enriched to 3.5% uranium-235 is used, a facility with the same capacity could produce about 180 kg of weapons-grade uranium per year. [4]
Their facilities were being regularly inspected an... (show quote)


And your answer (that is better than the completely unmonitored and uncontrolled enrichment we now have) is what?

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Nov 3, 2020 13:36:13   #
Charlie157 Loc: San Diego, CA
 
The other countries that the US keeps track of are Pakistan and India. Both have nuclear weapon and they hate each other. The US was concern that they might start a war with each other and escalate to the point of using nuclear weapons.

Pakistan concerns the US because the have nuclear weapons and are friendly with terrorists that hate the US. Pakistan allows the terrorist to hide from the US in their country. Remember, when the SEAL got Bin Laden, his compound was a couple of miles away from Pakistan's version of our West Point. The US was in Pakistan to keep track of their Nuclear weapons and all the usable stuff that comes from the manufacturing of the weapons. Unfortunately the US lost track of some of the weapons, it was spread out to different locations. So, terrorist have potential access to nuclear weapons an the manufacturing waste to make "dirty" bombs. "Dirty " bombs are easier to sneak into the US.

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Nov 3, 2020 13:41:48   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Well, this makes me feel so much safer now and I'll finally get restful sleep for NO ONE will ever break a law...especially an International Law.

Thank goodness the 30-MPH speed limit on our road is not an International Law for I would surely be in some International Prision making little rocks out of big ones.

This reminds me of the so often quoted saying, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!".

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