I have them both. I bought the Z7 for the IS feature. The Z7 has some nice features, but overall the D850 is a far better camera for most uses I can think of. If I had to chose between the two I would without question pick the D850. That said, I don't shoot video and very few landscapes.
6015b frames is nothing to be concerned about. You are just breaking it in. :-)
Have a D850 and a Z6. Autofocus with 850 is far superior! Maybe the difference is in lack of any cross-type sensors inZ6. Still trying to use Z6, but disappointed so far.
I enjoy using both cameras for travel and landscape. I really like using the Z7 EVF’s histogram and other features while shooting, and it’s a little smaller than my D850 but not significantly lighter with the 24-70 2.8 S that stays attached to it. The Z7 takes great photos, but I would not trade/sell my D850 for one at this time. The D850 takes amazing photos (when I do what it takes), the external controls are perfect for my medium-sized hands and use, and it’s built like a tank.
RonHo wrote:
The D850 has a shudder count of 6015, the Z7 would be lighter and mirror less seems to be the new way to go, comments con or pro.
Do it. You’re just hoping enough of us say yes. Don’t know how many is enough, but count me in on the “yes” tally.
Not offering any useless tech analysis, none is needed.
Mac wrote:
Question. Are you asking what you should do because you have decided what you want to do and are looking for Reinforcement of that decision? Are you considering mirrorless because you are drawn to that format or because it’s the next new thing?
All of those are compatible rationales for switching. They are not either/or ... no conflicts there.
rmalarz wrote:
Wow!!! If they include an Ibis with the Z6 and Z7, that would be the camera to have if one is a bird photographer.
--Bob
Took me a second, but I got it!
larryepage wrote:
I looked pretty hard at a Z7 not too long after getting my D850 at the invitation of my local camera store. This was when the Z7 was just out. I think they had a customer with a reservation back out and were needing someone to buy it. So I did, even though the "new" wasn't worn off the D850 yet. I thought it was a very nice camera...about 80% of my D850. I also felt like my D850 would still be plugging and chugging for quite a while after the Z7 was worn out or broken. It just didn't convey the same sense of ruggedness and durability. To me, right now, any benefit from the fractional reduction in weight did not pay for what I would be giving up. The Z7 presented as more a 'consumer' camera than the D850. It also appeared that the lenses were something like 40% more expensive than premium Nikkor lenses of equal focal length and speed. That is quite a penalty.
Making this even more interesting is that at the time, I was still working through some of the changes from the D810 to the D850 that I initially did not care for, including the relocated ISO button and the elimination of the onboard flash. (I have come to believe now that both of these changes are significant improvements.)
I cannot tell you for certain that my response would the same or different if I looked at the Z7 again. I do know that there is way too much hysteria around every new camera introduction. It seems that every new model that comes out is "the ultimate camera," only to be replaced by something else in a year or two. Since I've been active here, there has been <residual> hysteria around the D500 (which I finally got one of), the D850 (which I bought in late 2018) the Z7, the Z6, and several other models. I would be willing to bet that there was hysteria around the D810, the camera that almost everyone here has now dumped. The one thing I know for sure is that none of them is "the ultimate camera."
I believe that there are paths to a Z7 that make sense. I just don't see that any of them pass through the D850.
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I think you make some great points about all the hysteria and hype surrounding new camera releases and how the next release always usurps and invalidates the last one. The fact is that any of these cameras in the hands of proficient photographers will suffice.
Still, that is not the only reason why someone wants to upgrade. There are use cases that are better handled by some cameras over others. For example, the D850 is amazing and probably the best DSLR ever made (to date), but if one wants an EVF and an EVF helps their work flow then the Z7 might make more sense.
Also, the new Z7S (rumored to be announced late October) will likely fix most of the current deficiencies in the current Z7 (i.e. better AF, 2 Cards, Vertical grip etc.). At that point, I'd say that it would truly rival/surpass a D850 in most relevant respects irrespective of use case.
-B
D860 rumored to be coming out in 2021, and also rumored to be 60mp staying up with Canon.
Jim Eads wrote:
D860 rumored to be coming out in 2021, and also rumored to be 60mp staying up with Canon.
This is a good point if one wants to stay with DSLR and can wait a few more months the D850 replacement should be out (D860 or D880 nobody knows - I'd guess 880 to mirror the 750-780 upgrade). Either way they new camera should be everything that the D850 is but with more Megapixels and much, much better video features and video AF.
-B
dbfrancy wrote:
Have a D850 and a Z6. Autofocus with 850 is far superior! Maybe the difference is in lack of any cross-type sensors inZ6. Still trying to use Z6, but disappointed so far.
You bring up a topic that I don't think has been discussed here on UHH - cross-type sensors. Everybody knows that cross-type AF sensors are superior because they detect lines in both directions. I wonder if the on-sensor autofocus in mirrorless cameras can have a similar arrangement.
CO wrote:
You bring up a topic that I don't think has been discussed here on UHH - cross-type sensors. Everybody knows that cross-type AF sensors are superior because they detect lines in both directions. I wonder if the on-sensor autofocus in mirrorless cameras can have a similar arrangement.
The DPAF II is far superior to Cross sensors.
Jim Eads wrote:
D860 rumored to be coming out in 2021, and also rumored to be 60mp staying up with Canon.
The megapixel war is getting insane. When Nikon camera out with the 36 megapixel D800, they released a technical guide for the camera. I downloaded that guide. They emphasize blur 21 times in the guide. So when we hit 60 megapixels will we even be able to get blur-free photos? Here are just a couple of excerpts.
While its high pixel count of 36 megapixels gives the D800/
D800E resolution unrivalled by previous digital SLR cameras,
a side effect is that bokeh and blur are made that much more
obvious.
At the high resolutions offered by the D800/D800E, even the
slightest camera motion can result in blur. The technique revealed
in this section minimizes blur through a combination
of live view photography and a tripod.
Thanks for all the input from everyone, I’ll keep the D850 for now.
Jim Eads wrote:
D860 rumored to be coming out in 2021, and also rumored to be 60mp staying up with Canon.
Good reason to ditch the 850 right away before the value soils the sheets.
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