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Aug 14, 2020 09:07:26   #
cdayton
 
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It’s just c41 .. what issue ???

Probably none. Haven’t shot film for 20 years and haven’t developed my own film since the late ‘50s so my knowledge of what is currently available is pretty limited.

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Aug 14, 2020 09:49:09   #
Jack B Loc: Mount Pleasant, SC
 
There was an Extar 25 color negative film. I shot many rolls of it. It was a great film allowing very LARGE prints
Jack B

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Aug 14, 2020 10:01:41   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
ASA was an American standard- ISO is International. In the early days, most ASA ratings for negative films included a 1 stop overexposure "safety factor" because it was determined that an overexposed negative was somewhat easier to print than an underexposed one. Later on, the safety factor was removed.

In Europe, the DIN ratings were used. The folk that manufactured Weston exposure meters had their own numbers.

Most experienced amateurs and professionals did their own tests based on their own working methods, equipment variations, and black and white processing preferences and determined their own "Exposure Indexes for the films they used. There were pre-mixed canned developer formulas such as Acufine, Ethol UFG, and a few German imports that recommended a higher ASA (ISO) starting point.

C-41 Processing is still available from some color labs- there is also a kit for those who wish to DIY. It's still around but not as popular as it used to be- in the olden days, every neighborhood mini-lab could process and print you color negative film. Both the film and the processing services have become more of a niche market.

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Aug 14, 2020 10:42:28   #
williejoha
 
The film I used, we simply referred to as “S” type. ASA25 and had to be in the fridge.
WJH

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Aug 14, 2020 11:27:18   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
User ID wrote:
There was no difference.


maybe so but when you bought it it said ASA NOT ISO

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Aug 14, 2020 12:29:04   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
[quote=boberic]
WDN2 wrote:
They used to have a professional negative film called Vericolor II. I don't remember what the ISO was, but it seems like it was higher than 25. Apparently people still sell it on eBay. That's it Vericolor professional. I think the ASA was 32. But I shot it at 25 as there was no 32 setting on the Canon F-1, and 25 is closer than 50


PS, Check out page 21, there was ASA 32.
http://astrosurf.com/cmilovic/equipo/f1.pdf

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Aug 14, 2020 13:05:42   #
wnagel Loc: Fair Oaks, CA
 
I agree. When working in a camera store we stocked, and I used, Ektacolor Pro. It was supposed to be used quickly, I.e short shelf life, and processed promptly. Most pros bought 20 roll packs that all were all from the batch. Then would take a picture using a color chart process the film and make a print to match the color chart. This would result in true colors.

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Aug 14, 2020 13:50:04   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
boberic wrote:
For no particular reason I am trying to remember the name of the Kodak 35mm film I used to shoot. It was a 25 ASA film that had to be refridgerated. I think it was Varicolor professional. I can't remember if this is the right name. Sorta like standing in front of the open fridge door, and trying to figure out why. Does anyone remember the right name of the film--Thanks


Color or B&W? Color print or slides?

In B&W there was Kodak Verichrome Safety film of unknown ASA, probably around 25 (discontinued in mid-1950s). I think it was only available in medium format rolls (116, 127, 120, 620?). Subsequent Verichrome Pan film, also in medium format only, was something like 80 ASA.

In 35mm format (as well as medium format and sheet film in some cases), there were...

.... B&W Kodak film there was Technical Pan with ASA 25 (discontinued in 2004).

... color negative film, there was Kodacolor with ASA 25 (discontinued in mid-1960s).

... the 1980s & 90s there was C-41 processed Ektar 25 color neg film.

... color reversal (slide) film there was Kodachrome II with ASA 25 (discontinued mid-1970s). There might have been a Kodachrome 25, which was alos ASA 25, sold in some markets at the same time or later.

I'm not aware of any other Kodak films that were 25 ASA. There haven't been a lot of 25 ASA films in other brands, either. Agfa made 25 ASA slide and print films some time ago, I think.

Regarding ISO... when it was originally set up to start in 1974 it was a combination of ASA and DIN film speed ratings. Where films had previously been marked ASA 100, 21 DIN or ASA 400, 27 DIN, etc., the new International Standards Organization method was supposed to show ISO 100/21 and ISO 400/27, etc. Since then it's become common practice to simply drop the German DIN number (logarithmic) entirely and only use the old American ASA (arithmetic) rating number.... Even though "on the books" AFAIK nothing has changed, today for all practical purposes ISO and ASA are one in the same and no one is using the DIN numbers. Digital photography sped up this simplification, I'm sure.

Although ASA and DIN were probably the most common from WWII to the mid-1970s, there actually were were a number of other film speed rating systems. GOST was used in the USSR. Pre-WWII, Weston and General Electric meters each had their own system (which I've never used, but think the Weston was partly the basis for ASA). They both switched to the ASA system in the 1940s or 1950s.

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Aug 14, 2020 14:57:43   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
[quote=boberic]For no particular reason I am trying to remember the name of the Kodak 35mm film I used to shoot. It was a 25 ASA film that had to be refridgerated. I think it was Varicolor professional. I can't remember if this is the right name. Sorta like standing in front of the open fridge door, and trying to figure out why. Does anyone remember the right name of the film--Thanks[/quote

Panatomic X or Technical Pan - Just guessing

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Aug 14, 2020 15:01:19   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Color or B&W? Color print or slides?

In B&W there was Kodak Verichrome Safety film of unknown ASA, probably around 25 (discontinued in mid-1950s). I think it was only available in medium format rolls (116, 127, 120, 620?). Subsequent Verichrome Pan film, also in medium format only, was something like 80 ASA.

In 35mm format (as well as medium format and sheet film in some cases), there were...

.... B&W Kodak film there was Technical Pan with ASA 25 (discontinued in 2004).

... color negative film, there was Kodacolor with ASA 25 (discontinued in mid-1960s).

... the 1980s & 90s there was C-41 processed Ektar 25 color neg film.

... color reversal (slide) film there was Kodachrome II with ASA 25 (discontinued mid-1970s). There might have been a Kodachrome 25, which was alos ASA 25, sold in some markets at the same time or later.

I'm not aware of any other Kodak films that were 25 ASA. There haven't been a lot of 25 ASA films in other brands, either. Agfa made 25 ASA slide and print films some time ago, I think.

Regarding ISO... when it was originally set up to start in 1974 it was a combination of ASA and DIN film speed ratings. Where films had previously been marked ASA 100, 21 DIN or ASA 400, 27 DIN, etc., the new International Standards Organization method was supposed to show ISO 100/21 and ISO 400/27, etc. Since then it's become common practice to simply drop the German DIN number (logarithmic) entirely and only use the old American ASA (arithmetic) rating number.... Even though "on the books" AFAIK nothing has changed, today for all practical purposes ISO and ASA are one in the same and no one is using the DIN numbers. Digital photography sped up this simplification, I'm sure.

Although ASA and DIN were probably the most common from WWII to the mid-1970s, there actually were were a number of other film speed rating systems. GOST was used in the USSR. Pre-WWII, Weston and General Electric meters each had their own system (which I've never used, but think the Weston was partly the basis for ASA). They both switched to the ASA system in the 1940s or 1950s.
Color or B&W? Color print or slides? br br In... (show quote)


Here is some more information,
Looks like ASA 10.
https://retinarescue.com/kodachrome.html

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Aug 14, 2020 17:20:38   #
Craig Meyer Loc: Sparks, NV
 
I think I remember Vericolor II at ASA 64. The same as the Globalist ISO 64. The other asa 25 I used was the famous Kodachrome.

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Aug 14, 2020 17:28:07   #
Craig Meyer Loc: Sparks, NV
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
ASA 32 Color negative form Kodak goes back to the 1950s- It was a very early professional film made in large format sizes- 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10.

In early 1960 The pro film in 35mmm and 120 was CPS- Ektacolor Professional type C- it required C-33 Processing. It was officially ASA 100 but most pros exposed it at ASA 80

The next addition was Vericlor- it was intended for (Versimat) roller transport processing and the first emulsion of C-41 processing. There were issues of film damage during processing so it was withdrawn for a while and then replaced with an improved ASA (ISO) 100 version- Varicolor II. The Varicolor Pro films were mainly inteded for portraiture and wedding photography and were biased toward warmer skin tones- oftentimes green foleage in the background was undersaturated, The Portraa film enabled warm skin tones, clean whites and better rendition of green and blue colors.

The latest and still available pro films are the T-Grain Portra emulsion in ISO 160 and 400.

Ektar was first issued in IOS 25- very fine grain and high resolution. Lately, it's been reissued in IOS 100.

All "Professional" Kodak emulsions required refrigeration because they are aged for maximum performance and intended for prompt processing after exposure. At one time Kodacolr was the amateur emulsion- it had longer expiry dates due to preservatives in the formula. It was assumed that amateurs and occasional snapshooters kept the film in their cameras for extended periods of time before processing.

Early Professional color negative types had a rather course grain- Kodacolor had finer grain. Generally 1/2 to 1 stop overexposure of most color negative film provded better color saturation. I recall a Varicolor Commercial version with more neutral color rendition and higher contrast. There was also a high-speed versionHigh speed Vericolr film 3200 and one of my favorites was a type L version balanced for tungsten illumination.
ASA 32 Color negative form Kodak goes back to the ... (show quote)


A joke among Kodak and their processors was "A typical consumer processing order is one roll with a Christmas Tree at each end." My, what changes have happened. I remember when my processing came out of my allowance. Not a lot of duplicates. Careful composition and focus and double check and breath holding and squeeeeezing the shutter was the rule!

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Aug 14, 2020 22:29:26   #
hepcat
 
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There was no difference.


For those of us who can determine film type and speed in the darkroom by the corner notches... a little old-timey info:

ASA- American Standards Association

DIN- Deutsches Institut für Normung

GOST- GOST 2817-45 and GOST 2817–50 Soviet Union

ISO- International Standards Organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_speed#Film_speed_measurement_systems

http://www.photographers-resource.co.uk/photography/exposure/Ref_iso.htm

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Aug 15, 2020 02:53:30   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
boberic wrote:
For no particular reason I am trying to remember the name of the Kodak 35mm film I used to shoot. It was a 25 ASA film that had to be refridgerated. I think it was Varicolor professional. I can't remember if this is the right name. Sorta like standing in front of the open fridge door, and trying to figure out why. Does anyone remember the right name of the film--Thanks


I know Kodachrome 25 was a 25 ASA rated transparency film. The only other film that can remember that was a 25 ASA rated film was a black and white film. The Varicolor that I remember was 100 ASA and I believe a 64 ASA version of Varicolor.

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Aug 15, 2020 03:06:08   #
tjw47 Loc: Michigan
 
boberic wrote:
For no particular reason I am trying to remember the name of the Kodak 35mm film I used to shoot. It was a 25 ASA film that had to be refridgerated. I think it was Varicolor professional. I can't remember if this is the right name. Sorta like standing in front of the open fridge door, and trying to figure out why. Does anyone remember the right name of the film--Thanks


Vericolor ( VPS) was ASA 160.. I used to shoot it on my Graflex XL. Latest was Vericolor III.

Kodacolor ( ASA 25 ) was available until 1963.

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