For those that don't believe Mormons are Christians
Sep 23, 2012 19:29:51 #
Drigby1
Loc: American Fork, UT
Look at these videos, they might change your
mind about Mitt and his religion. Sidenote: there are quite a few protestants that use the mormon producted videos, these and others about Jesus Christ
http://mormon.org/videos?gclid=CK-dq4rtzLICFQjZQgodyS0AHg
mind about Mitt and his religion. Sidenote: there are quite a few protestants that use the mormon producted videos, these and others about Jesus Christ
http://mormon.org/videos?gclid=CK-dq4rtzLICFQjZQgodyS0AHg
Sep 23, 2012 20:30:10 #
You can't be Christian until you meet the basic tests of Christian Orthodoxy. The first, of course, the understanding of the Godhead which was the first theological topic taken up and decided by the early Church. The early heresies can clearly be identified in cults still in existence today.
Sep 23, 2012 20:39:05 #
Drigby1 wrote:
Look at these videos, they might change your
mind about Mitt and his religion. Sidenote: there are quite a few protestants that use the mormon producted videos, these and others about Jesus Christ
http://mormon.org/videos?gclid=CK-dq4rtzLICFQjZQgodyS0AHg
mind about Mitt and his religion. Sidenote: there are quite a few protestants that use the mormon producted videos, these and others about Jesus Christ
http://mormon.org/videos?gclid=CK-dq4rtzLICFQjZQgodyS0AHg
I don't have to change my mind about Mitt and his religion. I'm not thrilled with either candidate's embracing what I consider to be two of the "kookiest" organized religions out there, Mormonism or Islam, but it's an easy choice for me to decide I would rather have a Mormon in the White House than a Muslim. ;) ;)
Sep 23, 2012 21:13:25 #
SteveR wrote:
You can't be Christian until you meet the basic tests of Christian Orthodoxy. The first, of course, the understanding of the Godhead which was the first theological topic taken up and decided by the early Church. The early heresies can clearly be identified in cults still in existence today.
That is why most days I am an agnostic, and on the days that I am not I am a deist.... I really have a hard time with the teachings of the different churches.... Have little problems with the teachings of Christ, but just the fact that the Christian religion says that unless I am saved that I am doomed to an eternity in hell really turns me away from the church... I truly believe that if there is a god that he is much more spiritually evolved than man.... and that his compassion and understanding is far greater than mine.... So if in the year 2012 we do not understand just who Jesus Christ was who died some 2000 years ago.... I think that god will understand. I also think that Jesus did not have such an ego that he would condemn souls to eternal damnation for not paying homage to him... No, I do not believe that such an evolved being succumbs to such a jealousy. I believe that the message of Jesus is far more important than who he was... and it is the message of Jesus which has meaning to me.
Sep 23, 2012 22:11:07 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
quote=SteveR You can't be Christian until you mee... (show quote)
The message or the good news of Jesus was that He died for our sins, or in other words, took upon Himself the just punishment due to ourselves because of our sin.
In return, His righteousness was imputed to those who receive what He did for them, personally.
Jesus is Lord!
Sep 23, 2012 22:37:54 #
richnash46 wrote:
quote=Drigby1 Look at these videos, they might ch... (show quote)
You have every right, at least at present, to think anything you like about a person and their religion. However, as a Mormon, I take slight umbrage when you compare Mormonism to Islam. Regardless of how "kooky" you find them, how many Mormon suicide bombers have you heard about lately? Or Mormon beheadings? How many Mormons do you know who want to kill you for being an "infidel"? Other than Buddhists, Mormons are some of the finest people I've ever known and as "Christian" as any around. "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matt. 7:16)and not necessarily by what is written in some "holy" book. The Mormons, as a group, pass that test of Christianity. Please don't use your dislike for Romney to disparage millions of good people.
Sep 23, 2012 22:52:32 #
SteveR wrote:
You can't be Christian until you meet the basic tests of Christian Orthodoxy. The first, of course, the understanding of the Godhead which was the first theological topic taken up and decided by the early Church. The early heresies can clearly be identified in cults still in existence today.
Please don't take this wrong. I'm not doubting your statements, but I'd like you to clear up a couple things for me if you will. I don't have time to verify them right now and you are obviously an astute biblical scholar.
1. Define Christian Orthodoxy.
2. When did the "early Church" take up these theological topics? I'm under the impression it was LONG after the Crucifiction.
3. What were some of these early heresies and what are some of the modern cults in which they can be identified? Again, I'm under the belief that those heresies named by the early church when it was evolving into the Catholic church were just about anything not agreed on by whatever pope was in power at the time, and several of those popes did not have the best interest of Christianity at heart.
I personally believe all of Christianity can be summed up in the Sermon on the Mount, Matt. Chapters 5, 6 and 7. Everything else seems to be interpretation, embellishment and opinion.
Sep 23, 2012 23:26:01 #
Under our Constitution we are guaranteed the right to believe and practice the religion of our choice, or not to. We are also guaranteed the right to criticize someone's belief or religion.
My hope is that we can do all this and still maintain a common respect for one another as fellow human beings.
As far as I'm concerned, Mitt Romney is welcome to be a Mormon, and Barack Obama is welcome to be whatever he is, both on their own time. But when one of them is being President, they had better be President.
My hope is that we can do all this and still maintain a common respect for one another as fellow human beings.
As far as I'm concerned, Mitt Romney is welcome to be a Mormon, and Barack Obama is welcome to be whatever he is, both on their own time. But when one of them is being President, they had better be President.
Sep 23, 2012 23:30:03 #
SteveR wrote:
You can't be Christian until you meet the basic tests of Christian Orthodoxy. The first, of course, the understanding of the Godhead which was the first theological topic taken up and decided by the early Church. The early heresies can clearly be identified in cults still in existence today.
Steve you are correct. Then rules of Christianity do not align with the rules of Mormonism. However, the Mormon faith is a flexible changing over time moving away from the less acceptable practices of polygamy and communal living toward a more acceptable version of itself. Regardless of what they say in public what really goes on behind closed doors may be completely different. A man I know who was a Mormon once told me that the Mormon church wants to rule the world. That part of their "faith" may still be part of their mission.
Sep 23, 2012 23:30:46 #
Sep 24, 2012 00:40:22 #
When I speak of Orthodoxy in relation to the Godhead, I am specifically speaking about the eternal deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is co-eternal with the Father. He is not descended from either the Father nor an angel. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, though individual Persons, all share the same substance, namely Deity. Thus, the great three in one, the Trinity.
Sep 24, 2012 00:44:08 #
SteveR wrote:
When I speak of Orthodox ir relation to the Godhead, I am specifically speaking about the eternal deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is co-eternal with the Father. He is not descended from either the Father nor an angel. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, though separate Persons, all share the same substance, namely Deity. Thus, the great three in one, the Trinity.
Therefore the Mormons are not really Christians.
Sep 24, 2012 00:51:48 #
RixPix wrote:
Therefore the Mormons are not really Christians.
SteveR wrote:
When I speak of Orthodox ir relation to the Godhead, I am specifically speaking about the eternal deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is co-eternal with the Father. He is not descended from either the Father nor an angel. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, though separate Persons, all share the same substance, namely Deity. Thus, the great three in one, the Trinity.
Therefore the Mormons are not really Christians.
One of the significant things to know about Christianity is that it is the only belief system in the world that doesn't believe that you get to Heaven through good works. In fact, Christianity tells us that we can never be good enough or do enough to get to Heaven.
Sep 24, 2012 05:35:05 #
Well you can rest easy because God does not condemn you to eternal hell or whatever else you want to call it.
If you study the Bible you will clearly understand the term "forever" merely means as long as it,"you " last in fire.
Pretty hard to say we have a loving God if one believes He will condemn you to eternal torture don't you think?
If you study the Bible you will clearly understand the term "forever" merely means as long as it,"you " last in fire.
Pretty hard to say we have a loving God if one believes He will condemn you to eternal torture don't you think?
Blurryeyed wrote:
quote=SteveR You can't be Christian until you mee... (show quote)
Sep 24, 2012 05:47:35 #
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