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Jul 17, 2020 19:35:44   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
As I have said. It's not so much that Biden as president Frightens me. But the influence of his very leftist (socialist) supporters. It seems like E. Warren just may be the VP choice. Many of Biden's policy statements have come Warren. It comes down to this--If you want a president who will drag the country ever closer to socialist ideal- vote for Biden. If not vote for the other guy. And don't give me the any body but Trump thing. Yes Biden could be worse

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Jul 17, 2020 19:51:44   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
boberic wrote:
As I have said. It's not so much that Biden as president Frightens me. But the influence of his very leftist (socialist) supporters. It seems like E. Warren just may be the VP choice. Many of Biden's policy statements have come Warren. It comes down to this--If you want a president who will drag the country ever closer to socialist ideal- vote for Biden. If not vote for the other guy. And don't give me the any body but Trump thing. Yes Biden could be worse


I'm sure someone could be worse, but I'm not sure how.

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Jul 17, 2020 20:41:33   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
thom w wrote:
I'm sure someone could be worse, but I'm not sure how.


All you have to do is ask yourself who will pay for all those free programs Biden is proposing? Then look ik the mirror. The face staring at you will be the one.

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Jul 17, 2020 21:01:41   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
boberic wrote:
All you have to do is ask yourself who will pay for all those free programs Biden is proposing? Then look ik the mirror. The face staring at you will be the one.


So what are you going to do to avoid paying? Leave the country?

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Jul 17, 2020 21:16:44   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
boberic wrote:
All you have to do is ask yourself who will pay for all those free programs Biden is proposing? Then look ik the mirror. The face staring at you will be the one.


Lots of candidates make lots of promises (I don't know if he really has or not) after they are in office they find out which they can do, which they can't do, and which ones would be a real mistake to do. Trump has been different because he never bothered to find out whether one of his promises was better not fulfilled.

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Jul 18, 2020 09:08:30   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
I think for this election, the question: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" gives you the perfect answer.
Economy in the dumper.
Unemployment off the charts.
130,000 dead and counting.
Lack of leadership at the top and overt acts of corruption apparent to all.
We need a change and Biden is the change. You don't have to love him but you have to admit that he hasn't told 20,000 lies in the last four years and isn't in the White House bunker, hiding from the populous.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:36:10   #
lARRY1 Loc: southern nc
 
Frank T wrote:
I think for this election, the question: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" gives you the perfect answer.
Economy in the dumper.
Unemployment off the charts.
130,000 dead and counting.
Lack of leadership at the top and overt acts of corruption apparent to all.
We need a change and Biden is the change. You don't have to love him but you have to admit that he hasn't told 20,000 lies in the last four years and isn't in the White House bunker, hiding from the populous.
I think for this election, the question: "Are... (show quote)



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Jul 18, 2020 10:37:22   #
Tex-s
 
Frank T wrote:
I think for this election, the question: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" gives you the perfect answer.
Economy in the dumper.
Unemployment off the charts.
130,000 dead and counting.
Lack of leadership at the top and overt acts of corruption apparent to all.
We need a change and Biden is the change. You don't have to love him but you have to admit that he hasn't told 20,000 lies in the last four years and isn't in the White House bunker, hiding from the populous.
I think for this election, the question: "Are... (show quote)


You know well that your numbers reflecting the Covid issue would be the same or worse on unemployment and economic numbers under a Democrat. Hell, I can imagine a Democrat having unintentionally sparked an armed civil war while using lock downs to look for guns or effectively ban Christianity and other religions with bans on assembly.

Also, seeing that Europe, especially Sweden, and New York have seen the curve roll downward we see that partial lock downs, full lock downs and no lock downs have produced essentially the same results in terms of infections per million and death per infection, if you normalize for age. The current stats show the 30k deaths in NY were WAY skewed because of bad policies like returning the sick to nursing facilities and telling sick folks to stay home unless an emergency occurred. These policies maximized are home transmission and maximized the depth of health complications at hospitals. Had we been traveling with Hillary at the helm, the data might look as it does at a later date, but it would look VERY similar.

As for Biden, it’s not the man I oppose just as it was not Hillary the woman I opposed. It’s the radical socialist messaging, the vilification of success, white people, men, and conservatives as inherantly evil. It’s the notion that the only way for the poor or the people of color to succeed is for liberty and capitalism to recede. It’s the notion that these folks can’t improve their own circumstances. I oppose that (Marxist) thought process.

Trump is an oaf, a buffoon, loudmouth egomaniac........ who has enacted policy that reversed several policies I vehemently oppposed, and who had reinvigorated a lackluster economy before Covid. He has made strides to strengthen Immigration enforcement, has revised tax codes to allow the economic growth, had America producing energy at a rate to be energy independent, got out of the Iran ‘deal’ and has restored the military while not really expanding armed confict. It’s policy with which I align. So, with hand holding nose in mask, I and a lot of those like me will unhapily vote against the policy of the Democrats, despite having to vote for the man President Trump.

I simply prefer a flawed leader to flawed policy, and though Trump is plenty of both, he has not proposed plans to erase our history, to quash the energy sector, to further hijack the medical fields or to enshrine a narrative that police, who risk their lives daily, are a ubiquitous evil. When a Democrat stands up for Democracy and against social and economic disintegration policy, I’ll happily vote for them. The trouble is, the next Democrat to stand up and do that will have just switched party affiliation.

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Jul 18, 2020 11:16:05   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Tex-s wrote:
You know well that your numbers reflecting the Covid issue would be the same or worse on unemployment and economic numbers under a Democrat. Hell, I can imagine a Democrat having unintentionally sparked an armed civil war while using lock downs to look for guns or effectively ban Christianity and other religions with bans on assembly.

Also, seeing that Europe, especially Sweden, and New York have seen the curve roll downward we see that partial lock downs, full lock downs and no lock downs have produced essentially the same results in terms of infections per million and death per infection, if you normalize for age. The current stats show the 30k deaths in NY were WAY skewed because of bad policies like returning the sick to nursing facilities and telling sick folks to stay home unless an emergency occurred. These policies maximized are home transmission and maximized the depth of health complications at hospitals. Had we been traveling with Hillary at the helm, the data might look as it does at a later date, but it would look VERY similar.

As for Biden, it’s not the man I oppose just as it was not Hillary the woman I opposed. It’s the radical socialist messaging, the vilification of success, white people, men, and conservatives as inherantly evil. It’s the notion that the only way for the poor or the people of color to succeed is for liberty and capitalism to recede. It’s the notion that these folks can’t improve their own circumstances. I oppose that (Marxist) thought process.

Trump is an oaf, a buffoon, loudmouth egomaniac........ who has enacted policy that reversed several policies I vehemently oppposed, and who had reinvigorated a lackluster economy before Covid. He has made strides to strengthen Immigration enforcement, has revised tax codes to allow the economic growth, had America producing energy at a rate to be energy independent, got out of the Iran ‘deal’ and has restored the military while not really expanding armed confict. It’s policy with which I align. So, with hand holding nose in mask, I and a lot of those like me will unhapily vote against the policy of the Democrats, despite having to vote for the man President Trump.

I simply prefer a flawed leader to flawed policy, and though Trump is plenty of both, he has not proposed plans to erase our history, to quash the energy sector, to further hijack the medical fields or to enshrine a narrative that police, who risk their lives daily, are a ubiquitous evil. When a Democrat stands up for Democracy and against social and economic disintegration policy, I’ll happily vote for them. The trouble is, the next Democrat to stand up and do that will have just switched party affiliation.
You know well that your numbers reflecting the Cov... (show quote)


I doubt that you're correct in your assertion. Trump denied the problem, then he blamed China, then he said the hot weather will end it. Trump is an idiot, a liar, a bigot, and a criminal. Yet you stand behind him. It makes me wonder about you.

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Jul 18, 2020 15:03:44   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Frank T wrote:
I think for this election, the question: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" gives you the perfect answer.
Economy in the dumper.
Unemployment off the charts.
130,000 dead and counting.
Lack of leadership at the top and overt acts of corruption apparent to all.
We need a change and Biden is the change. You don't have to love him but you have to admit that he hasn't told 20,000 lies in the last four years and isn't in the White House bunker, hiding from the populous.
I think for this election, the question: "Are... (show quote)


Just 1 question. Can you name 1 legacy item that Biden has accomplished in his 40 years in offiice And I m much better off since Trump took office. When he took off is the market was at 18000. It's now above 26000. Roughly a 50% increase. So I am a lot better off as is any one who has an Ira or 401 K, A large number of people do. And because of all his tax inncrease proposale the market will tank if Biden is elected

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Jul 18, 2020 15:09:59   #
Tex-s
 
boberic wrote:
Just 1 question. Can you name 1 legacy item that Biden has accomplished in his 40 years in offiice


The (highly effective) criminal justice bill from the 90s that he sponsored is the best legacy of his career. But now, despite the fact black community leaders, police chiefs and mayors all over demanded a bill like it, Joe is having to denounce his best result. The same demographic of voters that demanded that action are now demanding the opposite. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s the GOP who have moved right. The left have moved WAY left-er.

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Jul 18, 2020 15:21:18   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Tex-s wrote:
The (highly effective) criminal justice bill from the 90s that he sponsored is the best legacy of his career. But now, despite the fact black community leaders, police chiefs and mayors all over demanded a bill like it, Joe is having to denounce his best result. The same demographic of voters that demanded that action are now demanding the opposite. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s the GOP who have moved right. The left have moved WAY left-er.


Of course, if you are a reactionary, middle of the road may look radical
to you. What does the left moving
anywhere have to do with the fact that these days you would call Eisenhower a RINO, or worse. You would consider Buckley (William F., not Lord) a liberal, and on and on. Those things show how far right the right has moved.

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Jul 18, 2020 15:47:29   #
Tex-s
 
thom w wrote:
Of course, if you are a reactionary, middle of the road may look radical
to you. What does the left moving
anywhere have to do with the fact that these days you would call Eisenhower a RINO, or worse. You would consider Buckley (William F., not Lord) a liberal, and on and on. Those things show how far right the right has moved.


Afraid not. I’d call Bill Clinton a Republican, at least his 1992 platform.

1) ..."the adoption of new programs and new spending without new thinking [is bad]"
2) "...to take power away from entrenched bureaucracies and narrow interests in Washington and put it back in the hands of ordinary people"
3) "We need to rebuild America by abandoning the something-for-nothing ethic"
4) "Only a thriving economy, a strong manufacturing base, and growth in creative new enterprise can generate the resources to meet the nation's pressing human and social needs"
5) "Above all .... restoring the basic American values that built this country and will always make it great: personal responsibility, individual liberty, tolerance, faith, family and hard work."
6) "will expand opportunity, insist upon greater individual responsibility in return, restore community, and ensure national security in a profoundly new era."
7) "Addressing the deficit requires fair and shared sacrifice of all Americans for the common good."
8) "Governments don't raise children, people do. People who bring children into this world have a responsibility to care for them and give them values"
9) "The private sector is the engine of our economy and the main source of national wealth."
10) "Rather than throw money at obsolete programs, we will eliminate unnecessary layers of management, cut administrative costs, give people more choices in the service they get, and empower THEM to make those choices."

I could proceed to find another 20 or so, but these 10 make my point well.

All quotes taken from the Democrat official platform publication from 1992. Ellipses or [comments] only inserted to avoid saying "Democrat" and spoiling the reveal. Don't tell me the Democrats have not moved RADICALLY to the left lately. OK, I suppose it's arguable that Democrats have always been leftists, but were formally better deceivers......

http://janda.org/politxts/PartyPlatforms/Democratic/dem.992.html

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Jul 18, 2020 18:49:37   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
The Democrats seek to make up for their history of slavery by accusing all non-blacks of being racist. We might live to see the time when Republicans need to take up arms again to put them in their place.

Fortunately Obama is only half white so I guess he can be a half racist.

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Jul 18, 2020 18:58:23   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
I doubt that you're correct in your assertion. Trump denied the problem, then he blamed China, then he said the hot weather will end it. Trump is an idiot, a liar, a bigot, and a criminal. Yet you stand behind him. It makes me wonder about you.


Guess you failed the part in Kindergarten about name calling. No one has to wonder about you.

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