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Jul 18, 2020 09:19:27   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Delderby wrote:
Yes - well I have never ever personally uesd lightroom. As you are an experienced user and pundit I should be grateful if you would answer the following.
After loading a JPG into LR, can you adjust WB? or adjust tone? Can you use layers? Can you straighten horizons? or adjust verticles? Is there a haze filter?
Thanks.


LR does not work in layers. Any, all other edits are there, including a powerful masking / local edit tool that covers what some might need from a layer-based editor to isolate specific changes. LR couldn't / wouldn't be the industry standard editor without the full gamut of the basic and advanced digital edit tool examples you mentioned.

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Jul 18, 2020 09:21:39   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
What Gene51 said.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:09:27   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
As Gene mentioned, Ps is my primary processing software. I started using Ps in 2002 or 3. I recently added Capture One, as it does Lens Color Correction, something Ps did seem to do. This became a necessity as of late. It was either purchase software that did or write a module to use with Ps. Purchasing Capture One was quicker.
--Bob

kmac2400 wrote:
I’m a hobbyist and not a professional photographer. I’m looking to upgrade my post-processing abilities. I’m a Nikon shooter, Mac user, and currently use iPhotos and Polarr Pro. I’ve read previous posts which seems to separate the group into Capture One, Lumiar, and Photoshop CC. All of these seem to involve much more program options then someone like me appears to need. As a result, I’m looking at Photoshop Elements 2020. Is this a decent program or is there some critical reason I’m missing that is important for me to reconsider the other options? I try very hard to get it right straight out of the camera the first time so I usually only use post-processing software maybe 100 times a year right now. Maybe with the right program, I would do it more frequently.

Are their critical considerations I am missing? Any suggestions are welcome, I really want to make a well informed decision and figured this group knows far more than I do. Thank you.
I’m a hobbyist and not a professional photographer... (show quote)

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Jul 18, 2020 10:13:17   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
I have been using elements since version 3, and am now up to 2018. I can do everything I want and more. There are zillions of You Tube tutorials to assist.

I have been trying to learn Affinity, but am not sure why. It does have one or two advantages, but it is slow and does not have an organizer or database.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:13:59   #
Josephakraig
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LR does not work in layers. Any, all other edits are there, including a powerful masking / local edit tool that covers what some might need from a layer-based editor to isolate specific changes. LR couldn't / wouldn't be the industry standard editor without the full gamut of the basic and advanced digital edit tool examples you mentioned.




There are many millions who only use their phones for picture taking and they like what they get. Some people like their Polaroid pictures and yes some are very satisfied with what comes out of their cameras as a JPEG file. Those that use their phones see no reason to use a RAW editor. Those who shoot Polaroid can't understand all the fuss, the same with JPEG shooters.

If you shoot with a modern camera that has the capability of giving you a RAW image and you want the "Best" your camera can provide you simply cannot get it out of the camera, you must post process. You can post process in JPEG but you can do remarkably more with a RAW image.

I poopooed RAW for years. After the first time I put one of my RAW images in a friends Photoshop and got such dramatic results, I have never gone back. My friend took a picture with his Nikon D700 in my dark barn. By the time he got done editing you would have thought he took the picture in a studio.

You owe it to yourself to at least to try a good RAW editor if you are serious about your pictures.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:28:52   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
kmac2400 wrote:
I’m a hobbyist and not a professional photographer. I’m looking to upgrade my post-processing abilities. I’m a Nikon shooter, Mac user, and currently use iPhotos and Polarr Pro. I’ve read previous posts which seems to separate the group into Capture One, Lumiar, and Photoshop CC. All of these seem to involve much more program options then someone like me appears to need. As a result, I’m looking at Photoshop Elements 2020. Is this a decent program or is there some critical reason I’m missing that is important for me to reconsider the other options? I try very hard to get it right straight out of the camera the first time so I usually only use post-processing software maybe 100 times a year right now. Maybe with the right program, I would do it more frequently.

Are their critical considerations I am missing? Any suggestions are welcome, I really want to make a well informed decision and figured this group knows far more than I do. Thank you.
I’m a hobbyist and not a professional photographer... (show quote)


HI Ken

I have used PSE for many ears and it is always my go to program as it is much easier to use and has a range of editing options that I can cope with without having to strain my brain cells too much lol! I also have lightroom, on-one and , recently, Luminar 4 and a number of Topaz Labs utilities. But i wold highly recommend PSE 2020 - my recent of posting of a box of novelties was done with PSE 2020.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:29:50   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Longshadow wrote:
Choose an editor based on your needs.

Everyone has different requirements and will always promote the one that they like to use.
If your editing requirements are like "Joe Schmoe's", try the editor he uses.
Pick one, try it.
See if it meets your needs...
Or, you can select the one that has the most capabilities and be done.
Even if you don't use all the capabilities, they are available.



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Jul 18, 2020 10:32:54   #
greenwork Loc: Southwest Florida
 
My experience is like Gene's and I started using PS the same time. I'd suggest the LR PS route BUT if you don't want to stick your foot into that pond Elements is a great entry processor. The 8 bit limit isn't that limiting and if you want to delve further much of the learning curve is already applicable. Good Luck!

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Jul 18, 2020 10:39:02   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
kmac2400 wrote:
I’m a hobbyist and not a professional photographer. I’m looking to upgrade my post-processing abilities. I’m a Nikon shooter, Mac user, and currently use iPhotos and Polarr Pro. I’ve read previous posts which seems to separate the group into Capture One, Lumiar, and Photoshop CC. All of these seem to involve much more program options then someone like me appears to need. As a result, I’m looking at Photoshop Elements 2020. Is this a decent program or is there some critical reason I’m missing that is important for me to reconsider the other options? I try very hard to get it right straight out of the camera the first time so I usually only use post-processing software maybe 100 times a year right now. Maybe with the right program, I would do it more frequently.

Are their critical considerations I am missing? Any suggestions are welcome, I really want to make a well informed decision and figured this group knows far more than I do. Thank you.
I’m a hobbyist and not a professional photographer... (show quote)


Also look at Luminar Flex. It's a scaled down version of Luminar that is very easy to use.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:45:01   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LR does not work in layers. Any, all other edits are there, including a powerful masking / local edit tool that covers what some might need from a layer-based editor to isolate specific changes. LR couldn't / wouldn't be the industry standard editor without the full gamut of the basic and advanced digital edit tool examples you mentioned.


Thanks for the reply - I can't imagine why I was advised that LR couldn't adjust WB in JPGs.

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Jul 18, 2020 10:46:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Delderby wrote:
Thanks for the reply - I can't imagine why I was advised that LR couldn't adjust WB in JPGs.


Probably an internet expert ... For RAW editing, you adjust the K-temp and tint (green to red). But, like all JPEG editors, the Kelvin temp comes off the table when not editing RAW, instead becoming a warm to cool, blue to yellow, slider. This difference / commonality may have been a point of misunderstanding.

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Jul 18, 2020 11:00:48   #
bleirer
 
Lightroom sort of has layers but nothing like Photoshop, in the sense that there is an adjustment brush that you paint an area with, then whatever adjustment you make only apply to that area, kind of like a layer mask. But luckily Photoshop is included with Lightroom and there layers are direct and easy to use. For example separate adjustment layers with the ability to mask which area it applies to for contrast, brightness, levels, hue/saturation/lightness, exposure, simulated camera filters, gradients, curves, and much more.

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Jul 18, 2020 11:03:38   #
cyclespeed Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada
 
If you like using your camera but not too much into computers fir post processing Luminar is the answer. I will never pretend to be so wise as to know exactly what needs t one done besides cropping. Now with "Looks" being instantly available I spend far less time getting to and end result I like than I did most times getting to "that will have to do" status in photoshop and LightRoom.

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Jul 18, 2020 11:14:49   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
Photoshop Elements is (nearly) all anyone needs for most serious editing, and if you are finally able to master ALL that it offers and still want more, then I would say move into the full blown Photoshop, but you can do wonders with Elements and 2020 is quite good. There are tons of videos on the web to assist you with practically ANY feature you might want to get more understanding about.
Also: you don't need to 'pay rent' to use it. When you buy it, it's yours to use - period.
God Luck and keep us posted,
God Bless,
Papa Joe

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Jul 18, 2020 11:28:42   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
You have been given a lot of great advice (except for not using LrC for JPEG processing!). Take it all in and roll it around in your head for a bit. Reread what Gene51 said, too. The biggest thing you need to consider is what are your expectations with your images, the answer should drive your pick of processing tools and the format you shoot in. Many people are content to simply take snapshots (I recently heard the term Happy Snapper and found it amusing). Other people want more from their images. If you are content with snapshots just pick the easiest and quickest route to success, shoot JPEG and use a processed that lets you take out sensor dust and tweak WB. However, if you want images that are perfect technically (no processing software will teach you the art of photography) and you want to create artwork with each finished image then you need to give a great deal of consideration to your choice. I am a 10-year user of Adobe products but I would not tell you what to choose Adobe products; I can say, however, that the products allow me to get wonderful, finished artistic results as I desire. Most of the software on today's market is adequate so most of them will do a fine job. Any software you choose will have a learning curve, depending on your ability to master the concepts of the software. Luminar is an easy software for some to learn, Photoshop is not easy for most people and with LrC you need some knowledge to use the software to its full potential, but I think that probably applies to any software. Do your research and choose what works for you.

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