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Jul 16, 2020 11:17:14   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Petunia in NY wrote:
I'm going on my first trip ever to Yellowstone / Grand Tetons the first 2 weeks of September and am excited beyond belief - assuming of course, that the virus doesn't ruin things. I am in the process of researching and planning my trip. I want to spend the bulk of my time in Yellowstone and I have a few preliminary questions which I haven't been able to find answers to either here or on the internet. (I have yet to start planning the Grand Tetons part of the trip - I'm sure I will have questions when I get to that part of my planning.)

Just some background - I'm a big city girl and I will be travelling alone. I will be staying outside the park (I am leaning towards right outside the Roosevelt Arch) and I will have a rental car.

Here goes: I know hiking alone is a big no-no. The ranger led hikes have been cancelled this year as far as i can tell. Do you know of any hikes that can be done alone or am I stuck with what I can see from my car? I suppose I could wait until I arrive and ask at the ranger station, but I prefer to have everything thought out in advance.

The Hayden and Lamar Valleys are prime wildlife viewing locations. Is there a best spot (i.e. mile marker) to just sit and wait or is it a matter of driving around until I see something and then stop?

Everybody says to get to the park early for the best wildlife viewing opportunities. What does "early" mean exactly? Is it 1 hour before sunrise, 2 hours, sunrise itself? I want to maximize my opportunities to see wildlife.

Since I will be alone and I have a healthy fear of bears and the nights there are far darker than what I am used to, can anyone suggest someplace where I might be able to try some astrophotography that won't be so scary and where I won't necessarily be alone? If I do end up by myself, would keeping the car headlights on keep the bears away?

Finally, don't laugh, but do bears go out in the rain? (Some websites said yes, others didn't say one way or another.) If they don't go out in the rain, I was hoping to be able to do do some hiking.

Thanks for any information you're willing to share.

Gloria
I'm going on my first trip ever to Yellowstone / G... (show quote)

To answer your question about The Lamar Valley, it's my favorite area, especially around Slough Creek area. I saw several wolves and I believe that area holds the last pure breed of the American Bison. I've seen Black Bear and Grizzlies and many birds of prey. It's a fairly remote area, but has a good road and is traveled by many. I would rent a jeep, then you wouldn't be worried about driving up Slough Creek road a bit. I always explored that area by myself, it gives you much more freedom to set your own pace. Situational awareness should be practiced at all times, but common sense will reward you. Never approach animals and remember they can cover a hundred yards faster than you think. Have the time of your life, you will find a special place.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:21:47   #
317tman Loc: Indianapolis, In
 
Don't be afraid of Yellowstone, like some others have said just be aware of your surroundings. I fine it a very relaxing place. I've been there 5 times always in Sept., but have done little hiking. Because of being cautious, I would only want to hike any distance with a small group not just alone or with my wife. With that said disappointedly I have only seen 2 black bears never a grizzly. There was a Ranger at both of those roadside sightings controlling the crowd. Setting up a photographic tour with someone is a great idea, much better than a tour bus. Cov-19 may have changed things (probably no or very few visitors from other countries), but there are generally a fair number of people in the park in Sept. (more than I like) particularly at sight seeing areas. You generally won't be alone, however if it makes you feel better about 2 legged problems buy a $20. bear spray and keep handy when alone. One thing to consider as it can greatly impact travel is park road construction. According to the web site the North entrance is being expanded causing 1/2 hour delays getting in from Gardiner and the road going South from Tower is closed which will cause you to backtrack. Doesn't seem like a problem, but Yellowstone is a very large park and backtracking could add hours of travel time. As long as you have sufficient time that should only be an inconvenience. Yellowstone is a great place to visit.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:33:29   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
One thing I might add is take your time, drive slow you could see wildlife anywhere.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:34:29   #
wthomson Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
bleirer wrote:
Jackson Wyoming just issued a mask requirement, so be prepared.

As to bears, it's better to hike in a group or stay close to a group on well traveled trails. You can buy bear spray at any store or visitor center, or you can rent it at canyon visitor center. I've never had to use it but i like knowing it is there.


Bear spray is essential for any hiking, and must be purchased on-site. Airlines will not let you carry it onboard or in checked luggage. And make sure you are clear on how to use it--trying to figure out how to spray while a bear is advancing is NOT a good idea. Having said that, sighting a bear is a treat, and the rangers know most of them by name and patterns. I've also used bells attached to my hiking poles, which some refer to as "dinner bells for the grizzlies" .

I like the above idea of finding a "tag-along" partner -- we would have always welcomed such a person.

Tetons and Yellowstone are quite different. Yellowstone is incredibly unique, but I actually prefer the beauty and solitude of the Tetons. Animals in both are pretty habituated to humans, and if you're in a car, they might come close while grazing, etc., but don't move toward them. There are rules posted stating how closely you can approach different animals.

As to timing, I like to be out as the sun rises and as the sun sets. Rest/sleep in the middle of the day. Have a great time and stay safe and healthy.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:43:08   #
wthomson Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
As far as staying in Gardiner (or any single place) that is not what I would recommend. The parks are HUGE, and to commute from a single place just doesn't make sense to me. Figure staying 2-3 days in one place and move on.

I last visited in 2014, and I'd be happy to send you our detailed itinerary if you PM me.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:44:59   #
Dossile
 
I wouldn’t hesitate to do most hikes alone. If you just stick to boardwalks you’ll see beautiful features. If you want to go into more isolated areas, it’s still safe. Years ago I backpacked multiple times miles from the roads with my small children. Hikes around the falls, into lone geyser and in the Old Faithful area are highly traveled. Have fun. Maybe I’ll see you there. I won’t be giving safety a second thought after many many trips to Yellowstone. Just obey basic precautions and you’ll be Far safer than riding the subway.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:51:50   #
wthomson Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Petunia in NY wrote:
Thank you all for taking the time to respond. I will definitely check out the links suggested and heed all the great advice shared.

I do all of my travelling alone (even internationally) because none of my friends share my hobby or even want to go to the same places. The only times I have used a tour group was when I traveled to Egypt and Morocco -- because of the language barrier and cultural differences. I am very aware of all the extra precautions and "things" I have to keep in mind that being a solo female traveler entails.

I don't foresee having anyone to go to Yellowstone with me now or in the future so I go realizing that I have to compromise. I have read enough and seen enough pictures to know that I am going to be blown away by the beauty but there are also many hazards to be aware of. I just need to know which are real and which I am exaggerating in my own mind.

For example - dark in NYC is not really dark. I was in South Dakota a few years back and I got a taste of dark and I found it unsettling and actually pretty scary. I imagine that Yellowstone must be far worse. You all just confirmed for me that my fear of that kind of dark is not irrational -- because of both the two legged and four legged animal. I guess my desire to try astrophotography is out the window. As as aside, I am pretty shocked to learn that a running car could attract animals - I never would have figured that one.

I wasn't sure if my fear of a bear encounter was justified. I read the local newspapers online and have read the stats and they all say bear attacks are few and far between as long as proper precautions are taken and besides that, the few hundred bears within the thousands of acres of land makes it unlikely that you would run into one. However, based on your personal experiences it seems that an encounter is more likely than not to happen especially since the animals have lost their fear of humans due to the recent closures.

As a poster suggested, I thought of tagging along on someone else's hiking group but I will be honest - I enjoy just walking, getting lost in my thoughts and absorbing beauty in silence - precisely why I cannot hike alone in Yellowstone. I was hoping there were some popular trails which are sufficiently crowded so that being alone wasn't such a big deal. Cross hiking off my list as well. Sigh.

It **pains** me to have to take a tour bus like someone suggested though I know it is for the best and I can justify it in my mind as a recon tool for where I want to go on my own later. (That, along with the Gyspy guide should give me some good ideas.)

You are all correct -- Yellowstone is definitely an adventure and out of my comfort zone. That being said, I will compromise where necessary to make sure that it is a safe trip. A few years back I went to Custer State Park and Windcave Natl Park in SD and the wildlife and beauty was incredible. That trip, as well as viewing the photos and reading the comments on UHH is what ignited this incredible need to go to Yellowstone. I will keep researching and refining plans for my trip thanks to all your advice. It seems that i will also have to rethink my lodging idea in light of the recent fire.

Thank you again.
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The best way (IMO) to find safe hiking trails is to ask one of the female rangers.

With respect to the dark, I highly recommend a headlight (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B008S5MZZM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1).
This particular one has red and green lights, as well as the standard white one. Also take lots of batteries.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:01:47   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
This is a really strange thread. Yellowstone is NOT the Okavango Delta, Botswana. Do you have to take reasonable care, certainly. Carry Bear spray, have batteries for your flashlight, be aware of the altitude, wear good boots and sunscreen, carry and drink plenty of water. It goes without saying that you respect the wild animals and give them plenty of space. On balance the Park is far safer than many major U.S. cities - other than the things specifically mentioned above, be alert and use your street / common sense and you'll be fine. Have fun!

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Jul 16, 2020 12:03:07   #
wthomson Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Jagnut07 wrote:
If you do go hiking try to find an older slower couple to go with. First they will likely be safer to be with. Second, if you do encounter a bear then you can outrun them. 😋


NEVER, NEVER TRY TO OUTRUN AN ANIMAL!!! THE LOSER GETS PURSUED AND EATEN.

Seriously, the best book I have read on bears is: https://smile.amazon.com/Bear-Attacks-Their-Causes-Avoidance/dp/149302941X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=39US5UX8M56VF&dchild=1&keywords=bear+attack+books&qid=1594915453&sprefix=bear+attack%2Caps%2C225&sr=8-1. With respect to a rather delicate timing issue, women having their period appear to be more vulnerable.

Bears are to be respected, not feared. If you see one, it will be a gift.

Also, with respect to visibility, the full moons will be 9/2 and 10/1/20.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:05:13   #
jayluber Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
I was Death Valley last year to shoot the MW. I got to the place I chose a bit early to set up before the core Rose. There was a woman there from NYC with about $20k of camera and lens and she complained she could not get a MW Photo. I pointed out that the MW would be over here and you are shooting the wrong way. And the core will not rise for another hour.
So please do your homework. Shoot the MW is that is what you want. Follow your heart.
And spend some with Chris or at least talk to him before you go.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:28:46   #
Danielmb
 
Petunia....Yes.Bears can be a problem. A grizzly killed a man when I was there two years ago. But it really was the man's fault for getting waaay too close.But that is a rarity. Those cuddly looking bison can be very dangerous as can elk and moose. I have camped in those parks in all four seasons. Just avoid getting too close to any large wildlife. Talking with rangers is a sound idea. They know the area. I would suggest taking a guided tour to start. It will give you a better sense of where you really want to go. These are two really large parks Watch your footing around geysers. Closer is not better. There are some great locations along the Snake River in the Tetons. Sunrise can be amazing.Double check on mandated closures due to the virus. Since you are driving, you will have a lot of options. My wife and I are planning another fall trip to the Tetons where the fall color can be awesome. Good luck and have a great time.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:36:52   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
One other note about Yellowstone in early September is the potential of rapidly changing weather. I was there in 2015 for about nine days and temps ranged from mid-80s the early part of the trip to cold, wet snow in the middle of the time and then back to the mid-80s the last two days. Take plenty of warm, water proof gear.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:39:41   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
wthomson wrote:
Bear spray is essential for any hiking, and must be purchased on-site. Airlines will not let you carry it onboard or in checked luggage. And make sure you are clear on how to use it--trying to figure out how to spray while a bear is advancing is NOT a good idea. Having said that, sighting a bear is a treat, and the rangers know most of them by name and patterns. I've also used bells attached to my hiking poles, which some refer to as "dinner bells for the grizzlies" .

I like the above idea of finding a "tag-along" partner -- we would have always welcomed such a person.

Tetons and Yellowstone are quite different. Yellowstone is incredibly unique, but I actually prefer the beauty and solitude of the Tetons. Animals in both are pretty habituated to humans, and if you're in a car, they might come close while grazing, etc., but don't move toward them. There are rules posted stating how closely you can approach different animals.

As to timing, I like to be out as the sun rises and as the sun sets. Rest/sleep in the middle of the day. Have a great time and stay safe and healthy.
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Excellent advise.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:47:05   #
jayluber Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
You need to hike with a partner and a hand gun. If a bear is chasing you, shoot your partner in the leg.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:49:27   #
DocDav Loc: IN
 
Bears do go out in the rain. My wife and I took a bear sighting trip in alaska. In the rain. We saw plenty

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