phlash46
Loc: Westchester County, New York
robertjerl wrote:
Oh, Colorado went over their numbers and lowered it 20% - people who died from other causes who got listed as Covid. Some of them had Covid - but it wasn't what killed them - you don't suppose the federal money for Covid cases had anything to do with that do you? Naw! The bean counters would never "fib" to get more money, would they???
The good news is that in several places where it was bad before the US had it bad the doctors report it is mutating and the new versions are not nearly as bad as the original. This seems to be a consistent pattern with viruses.
It is still bad, the big thing is how fast it happened compared to a "normal" flu, but the stats for the 1918-19 Spanish Flu (675,000 in the US) make Covid look like the JV of killers. That one infected 1/3 of the world's population (est 500 million) and killed from 17 to 50 million around the world (a few "experts say it may have been 100-150 million for all waves 1917 to 1920), stats in most of the world sucked or didn't exist at all then so they aren't sure - but most put it at 17-50 million. And it didn't come from Spain, it came from Asia brought by troops and laborers brought to France by the big empires for the war and spread to the Germans etc along the front lines.
Spain wasn't in the war and reported on it in their newspapers while the Allies and Central Powers kept it secret to avoid letting each other know how bad things were for them. So Spain got the "honor" of having it named for them. The virus that caused the Spanish Flu is still with us today, but a lot milder. CDC says it is the H1N1
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Largely true, but, lots of people are dying of it who are never tested.
pmorin
Loc: Huntington Beach, Palm Springs
Fotoartist wrote:
Relatively tame wars unless you go back one more war and add WWII.
You must be joking? My family and most of its sons have all fought in the above mentioned wars. Some did not make it back. I was lucky, just some hearing loss from explosives and gunfire. One thing is sure, none of those wars were “Tame”.
phlash46 wrote:
Largely true, but, lots of people are dying of it who are never tested.
And even more people had mild or no symptoms and didn't get tested. We don't know how many people have had it. And the US has tested more people than any other nation - but what gets reported is the low % of the population who are tested compared to smaller nations. But more tests are being developed, and more test kits distributed and the numbers of those are a near miracle considering they didn't even know they needed a test for Covid-19 until a few months ago.
A long winded and convoluted site but a lot of information on testing
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
tomad wrote:
True, but in a year that pandemic only killed 12,469 Americans; Covid-19 has taken nearly 9 times that many in just 3 months.
CDC data: “ The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.”
And it ain’t over till the fat lady gets her vaccine.
Fotoartist wrote:
Relatively tame wars unless you go back one more war and add WWII.
That is a terrible thing to say. Something is wrong with you to even think like that.
dancers
Loc: melbourne.victoria, australia
Fotoartist wrote:
Relatively tame wars unless you go back one more war and add WWII.
72 million people died in WW2,,,,,,I read...........I was a child.
While I am definitely not saying that this virus is bioterrorism it is proof though that bioterrorism as a war tool could be a possibility and an effective one at that . Also so could technical computer disruption terrorism . Many examples of computer hacking shutting down organizations & systems . There is no need for old fashioned war with combat troops, guns, knives, bombs, boats, tanks, planes, blood & guts, etc. Thats primitive old hat & outdated . I say do away with the military . Waste of money that could be used elsewhere . Of course would never happen as war machine is big business and lots of folx make a fat living off it .
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
hoola wrote:
While I am definitely not saying that this virus is bioterrorism it is proof though that bioterrorism as a war tool could be a possibility and an effective one at that . Also so could technical computer disruption terrorism . Many examples of computer hacking shutting down organizations & systems . There is no need for old fashioned war with combat troops, guns, knives, bombs, boats, tanks, planes, blood & guts, etc. Thats primitive old hat & outdated . I say do away with the military . Waste of money that could be used elsewhere . Of course would never happen as war machine is big business and lots of folx make a fat living off it .
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And even a small mousey army would effective if the US had nothing to oppose it.
Of course we should maintain a small military for defensive reasons . However my point is that full scale person to person war in this new age will be unnecessary & obsolete .
hoola wrote:
Of course we should maintain a small military for defensive reasons . However my point is that full scale person to person war in this new age will be unnecessary & obsolete .
OK, you set at your computer and throw hacks and viruses at them as a bunch of guys with automatic rifles come through the door.
Hint your firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware will not stop them.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
hoola wrote:
Of course we should maintain a small military for defensive reasons . However my point is that full scale person to person war in this new age will be unnecessary & obsolete .
Non-military means have proven ineffective in opposing regimes in places such as North Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba, but you would trust “a small military” to stop Russia or China or a modern-day Hilter?? I’m not convinced that a foreign leader would be unwilling to endure a trip back in time if the benefit would replacing the US in world influence.
PaulG
Loc: Western Australia
phlash46 wrote:
There is no such thing as a tame war; you'd know that if you'd been in one.
Obviously even a single death is dreadful. But he did use the word "relatively" and I think the analogy was in reference to numbers in general overall, not to make light of any particular field of conflict V another.
sr71
Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
Fotoartist wrote:
Relatively tame wars unless you go back one more war and add WWII.
THEIR IS NO SUCH A "THING" AS A "RELATIVELY" TAME WAR.
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