PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

The CDC just revised their "actual COVID-19" death toll - from 60,000 to 37,000 thats one heck of a problem adding the numbers.

( https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) Read it before you comment with any politically induced ferver.

Additionally, for those who made fun of President Trump talking up Hydroxychloroquine - would you believe a research paper published for peer review ? The content is here https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/02/pseudo-science-behind-the-assault-on-hydroxychloroquine/ . Before you complain about the person not being a 'scientist' please read the whole article and check the references at the bottom.

dougbev3 Loc: Pueblo, Colorado

NO COMMENT - YOU FOUND THE GREAT ARTICULES. CONGRATULATIONS. TAKE OFF YOUR MASK, HUG YOUR FRIENDS.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

Not sure what you mean by that. Research papers are not "published for peer review". They are sent out for peer review and are not published until after the peer review comments are addressed.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

lsaguy Loc: Udall, KS, USA

From that Buzzfeed article;

In comparison, the CDC’s actual most up-to-date count of COVID-19 deaths is on a separate site and shows more than 64,000 people have died in the US.

As the CDC states, that tally is updated daily based on data received from state health bodies: "Case notifications were received by CDC from U.S. public health jurisdictions and the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS)."

Neither that CDC figure, nor the National Vital Statistics System page, have been revised down.

PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

sorry - used published as another word for released to the public - like publishing a newspaper ... I am sure you read the content before you commented (?)

Thought people would be more concerned about the factual information than my choice of words. (And yes, the invitation/request for review is published according to my university research friends who *publish* scientific articles for peer review.)

Bill_de Loc: US

Your first statement seems misleading. If I read correctly they are not only 2 weeks behind in their counting, and are only counting those deaths were a death certificate has been processed.

The second topic is a nicely crafted opinion piece, with a lot of opinions based on a lot of inconclusive evidence. I'm not saying it is wrong, just that the final results are not in. I agree with President Trump that it is worth looking into. I wish he would discuss it behind the scenes with the experts instead of blurting it out to people who will take it as fact.

IMHO of course.

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PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

As someone who watched the number daily, I can tell you for certain it was changed from previous numbers. even the CDC actual dataset states the percentage of actual deaths is 103% as of 04/25/2020. So you are claiming that the 67,000 number that is in numerous media reports were not reported ? And the 'daily' claim has 23k+ people dying in 7 days ? Even CNN disputes that.

PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

The CDC site itself reports the updated data on a given day. The totals are from the previous week - as stated on the site.

I also know that physicians have been told to include the COVID-19 diagnosis as a contributing cause of death if the patient tests positive - regardless of the actual cause of death (all healthcare organizations were informed of this requirement months ago). CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicare Services) issued that directive. If a patient dies of trauma resulting from a vehicular accident and is tests positive prior to expiring, COVID is added. Check CMS guidelines.

Those are supposed to end up as presumptive cause of death and are supposed to be corrected 'later'. I am not saying the number won't go down - it will when the cases are audited. What I AM saying is that the media jumps on the numbers and pretends things are worse than it seems to sell more media. But when the real number decreases, not so much ...

PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

care to identify the website you are quoting from ?

Bill_de Loc: US

That's funny. I was watching one of the Sunday morning "News" shows today and thought the exact same thing. They even structured their questions to prompt negative responses. When they didn't get them they tried to interrupt the guest who was trying to answer.

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rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

The current count by John Hopkins University is 67680. {click on "US" line to get death total for just US}
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html?utm_source=jhu_properties&utm_medium=dig_link&utm_content=ow_hubinfo&utm_campaign=jh20

The site referred to in this post is clearly not a complete count, since they list 494 for Indiana,
but the official site by Indiana Health Authorities lists 1132.
https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/map/test.htm#
Anything provided by this site is clearly delayed reality since Indiana passed their total several weeks ago.

The second site is a "Climategate" site {climate changer deniers}, which makes me doubt any scientific claims it makes}

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Before one jumps to conclusions, maybe best to read the entire referenced link from the CDC, including the notes:

“Why these numbers are different

Provisional death counts may not match counts from other sources, such as media reports or numbers from county health departments. Our counts often track 1–2 weeks behind other data for a number of reasons: Death certificates take time to be completed. There are many steps involved in completing and submitting a death certificate. Waiting for test results can create additional delays. States report at different rates. Currently, 63% of all U.S. deaths are reported within 10 days of the date of death, but there is significant variation among jurisdictions. It takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths. While 80% of deaths are electronically processed and coded by NCHS within minutes, most deaths from COVID-19 must be coded manually, which takes an average of 7 days. Other reporting systems use different definitions or methods for counting deaths.”

And regarding to the referenced link on hydroquinone, it may prove useful to know a little about the writer and the site (WUWT) it is published on (not a medical site, but instead a site devoted to climate change deniers) From Wiki:

“Watts Up With That? (WUWT) is a blog[1] promoting climate change denial[7] that was created by Anthony Watts in 2006. The blog predominantly discusses climate issues with a focus on anthropogenic climate change, generally accommodating beliefs that are in opposition to the scientific consensus on climate change...”

Kind of puts things in a different perspective doesn’t it? Also interesting that there is no bio or credentials on the author of this blog (Leo Goldstein) and that there is no MD or PhD after his name. Inconvenient facts...

lsaguy Loc: Udall, KS, USA

PGHPhoto, "From the Buzzfeed article".....

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Then you had better go and look again, I just did, and they have been revised as of Friday May 1. This is the figures CDC had processed as of April 25, so one week and now 2 days old.

CDC site: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

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