Tex-s

Today, it was announced that all 511 employees at an Abilene, TX business were tested as a precaution. No one was (apparently) showing symptoms, but the company was looking to quell fears after Tyson and other food producers had found cases in their workers. 48 employees tested positive. That means, in this tiny sample, nearly 10 percent had been exposed. I repeat, apparently no one was symptomatic.

If this study is indicative of the actual numbers nationwide, the death total of 41 000 deaths would be from an case count of 30 000 000 plus cases. That would be a 0.13 death rate.

Arguments can be made to suggest that this study is overpopulated due to the sample not being random, but it can also be argued that Abilene TX is likely below the infection average of the densely populated coastal areas, and that 10% might be below the national average.

Please, discussing only these numbers, which do you all deem to be the most likely scenario?

I for one believe the 10% is likely fairly accurate as BOTH of the mentioned arguments have merit, and likely cancel each other. Even if the 10% is too high by a factor of 5 though, the nationwide death rate hovers near 0.6%, not the much higher numbers media are headlining.

Tex-s

Wow, not one person wanting to venture into this pool?

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

I have maintained the infection rate is Way under stated and fhat the death rate is way over stated. Common sense leads to that conclusion. We have only tested around 4.8 million in the us with a population of roughly 350 million. That is a little over 1%. Not to discount those who have died the country way over reacted, destroyed the economy snd the lives of countless to be lost due to secondary effects of the over reaction. China launched a bio attack aimed primarily at the US and Trump. There were other victims but since when does a Fascist regime like the Chinese ever spared lives when an agenda had to be implemented..

Tex-s

I'm reticent to suggest China, of it's own volition. launched this thing. However, combining two other verified stories, I'm more likely to suggest elitist, Eugenicists may have. China may have just been, pardon the pun, their 'Manchurian Candidate'.

"The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Just how do medical care and vaccines REDUCE population growth?

Bill Gates TED talk 'innovating to zero' (4:30 mark)
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/discussion#t-259739

and

There are more than a few references to Bill Gates, his father, and a good number of organizations devoted to the same ideals as the eugenics movement.

https://tottnews.com/2020/04/09/gates-family-eugenics-covid-19/

Either way, the hysteria reeks of a "plan-demic" more than a pandemic, especially given that the more we actually learn, the more we realize the the hystera-driven dooms day prophesy is likely not going to come to a 1% fruition.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

I am very familiar with the eugenics aspect and its tie in with American Progressives. The parallels between the German fascist model and Progressives is extensive also. The significant missing parallel is nationalism. The Progressives are globalists which makes them an odd mix of communism and Fascism.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

I'm sorry, but what planet are you living on?

What propaganda have you been listening to?

China did NOT launch a bio attack! They did fail to communicate to the WHO that they had an uncontrolled Virus spreading through a province and allowed widespread travel which unleashed the Virus on the world!

The Covid-19 Virus is spread through airborne vapors from an infected individual who could be symptomatic or asymptomatic. The method of infection is why it's now recommended that everyone wear a face mask outside of your residence to slow the spread of the Virus.

The Covid-19 Virus has affected most countries around the world, some harder than others due to poor advanced planning just like the United States.

Yes the United States has way under tested our residents.

In Boston, they've launched widespread testing in Covid-19 Virus hot spots. They've found a high percentage of asymptomatic individuals with Caronavirus antibodies.

The infection and death rates are both understated. Over the past few days a new symptom has been linked to the Covid-19 virus, blood clots. A Broadway actor just has one of his legs amputated due to complications from blood clots.

The United States reacted way too slow, which is why we're going through an extended shutdown. Blame trump for not taking the Coronavurus seriously when US Scientists working at the WHO broke the news and tried to raise the alarm in 2019!

As a country, we can't reopen until everyone has been tested, and contact tracing has been done to locate and isolate infected individuals to slow or stop the Covid-19 Virus from spreading any further. If you haven't been tested and diagnosed or found to have antibodies, YOU could be a super spreader.

Massachusetts is one of only a handful of locations or states that are actually doing the contact tracing in the United States right now. They're at the peak in reported cases right now, and starting to see a flattening of the curve. But they can't let up on social distancing until the curve really flattens a whole lot more, and testing gets to every resident or employee in the state.

There are a whole lot of out of staters who commute into Massachusetts on a daily basis, but there are still three New England states which haven't joined the Northeast States Coalition to agree on what steps are needed to safely reopen the states in the area. Massachusetts just announced that they're calling off classroom education for the remainder of the school year, they're going to finish out the year using virtual learning.

Tex-s

Even if the 'death rate' (in quotes because MANY jurisdictions are allowed to speculate that a lost life 'may have had' covid, or that a person in hospice, days to live, who also has covid, died OF covid) is a bit low, it is NOT understated by a factor of 46 -85, which two studies indicate the official infection count is off. I posted just yesterday of a local mass test that showed a full 10% infection rate at a food distributor with NO SYMPTOMS. If 48 out of 500 employees can hav the virus with no symptoms, the total is FAR more off than the death count. Add to that the fact that NO age group is seeing the total death from the virus represent more than 2.5 % of the deaths in that age group and you have a BIG problem selling the idea that covid is the end of days.

Is the virus a concern? absolutely. It the virus REALLY contagious. Absolutely. Is it REALLY deadly? For those over 55 or those with existing health issues, more so than the flu, but for those under 20 WAY less deadly. Should we cripple the global economy over the body count in 3 months comparable to a 'good' week in WWII? Nope.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

The world only ends once and this isn't it.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

A short term "crippling" (your word, not mine) of the economy to slow the spread of the Covid-questions Virus, to determine who has been infected and to isolate those individuals to prevent further splendid of the virus is definitely needed.

Without widespread testing and contact tracing no state or country will be able to flatten the curve and be able to bring back their economy with any kind of safety for their residents!

If you don't cherish your loved ones, you're more than welcome to move amongst the infected and find out what your survival chances are without medical intervention, but I value my life a whole lot more than you seem to!

Watch what happens in a few weeks in those states that trump egged on to open back up, and the Governors were stupid enough to do so without following the Covid-19 Virus Task Force guidelines for testing and meeting the targets set out in those guidelines!

Florida
Georgia
North Carolina

They're tourist destination states, where their economies rely heavily on tourist dollars.

Tex-s

It's seems, and I don't intend an insult here, that you may be invested in a false implication being implied in media coverage. "Flatten the curve" is, on its own, NOT going to, and was never intended to, stop even 1 infection. The intent was to delay the rate, not the total, to prevent an over-run of hospital capacity and to buy some time to boost capacity, develop and administer testing, and hopefully allow for better treatment options or even a vaccine. "Flatten the curve" on its own can only have measurable effect on infection rate, not total.

Additionally, whether the deaths to total 50k 500k or 5M, we can rest assured that the health people will declare 'victory' due to the lock-down, priming the world, of course, to use these measures more often and more stringently.

As for valuing my life, I'm a math guy, a teacher earning far less than 100k, even after 30 years. I do most of my analysis on totals and values. If I died today, my life insurance and retirement fund would net FAR more money available to fund my child and future grandchildren than I can possibly share if I live to be 100, but have to fund my own needs and costs. I've lived and loved better than I deserve. I've taught and influenced a few thousand students, and raised a wonderful daughter. Sure, not having a 'grandfather figure' might be a loss for the aforementioned future grandchildren, but if the economy tanks long term, they might never exist, robbing my child of joy in her life in addition to financial security. So, I see my opinions as valuing my daughter's future over my own.....

As for States re-opening and possible motivations, I'll grant that tourism-heavy economies are motivated by the money involved, and I'll also say that re-opening, should it spike the infection rate in any locale is not the fault of the States, but of the people who fail to maintain hygiene and distance once they are co-mingling. In a year, the whole world will be doing what Sweden has been doing all along, and I'm on record, often, saying Sweden is doing this right. Math and the history of every other viral outbreak suggest that Sweden's numbers, good and bad, will be on a par with everyone else, and they will not have ended 15% of small business or created record debt and unemployment to do it.

Even some folks in media, a media religiously devoted to touting the value of the lock-down are admitting they themselves are not following the guidelines, even with a confirmed case.... That suggests the media folks know they are 'pumping' this one for all its worth, likely with November on their minds.

[ “After days of trying to stay physically apart from my husband, it just became impossible. He hated to see me suffer and he couldn't not take care of me. He began to hold me in those darker moments and let me cry, whispering: ‘Everything's going to be all right,’” she writes.]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/brooke-baldwin-coronavirus-essay-cnn-180334476.html

Rose42

That makes no logical sense. None whatsoever. Unless you want to get to the point where people have to show papers wherever they go.

This paranoia isn’t driven by Trump. This shutdown isn’t about
people’s health. Look how easily people’s minds are controlled with the media.

Why don’t we just track everyone’s movements. Then we can have a database of everywhere they’ve gone. Thats where we’re headed and we have a good head start on it.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

This would be a Progressive's dream - hyper statism.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

You had better check the fine print in your Life Insurance Policy.

Does it cover death from a pandemic?

Some people are discovering that their policies don't!

EyeSawYou

"As a country, we can't reopen until everyone has been tested"??? WTH? That is the most insane stupid thing to say, noway everyone is going ever be tested and you can not force anyone to take the test.

EyeSawYou

You have no friggin idea what you are talking about lol. Almost ALL Life Insurance policies cover death by (pandemics) COVID-19 as long as it is not just an accident only policy. Again, the more you talk the more BS spews from your filthy lying mouth.