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Mar 28, 2020 01:08:20   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
LWW wrote:
What should he do?


Resign.

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Mar 28, 2020 06:23:21   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
pendennis wrote:
First, there is no law passed by Congress, nor implicitly nor explicitly named in the Constitution, that allows the President to usurp the powers of the several states.

You have no concept of what it takes, even with modern technology (3-D printing, etc.), to build, test, and authorize ventilators for use by hospitals (the FDA is in charge here). Never mind that it takes specific training to keep from killing a patient with one. My son is a nationally certified paramedic on ventilators and other breathing machines.

Do you have any concept of what it takes to "hospital clean" a hotel room for use by patients. And just who is going to staff all these "new hospital beds"? What if a patient needs surgery, or some advanced procedure? Are you going to build an OR or MRI lab in the next two weeks? New York has 130K+ hotel rooms. How quickly could even ten percent be converted?

Medical schools who are graduating students early, are merely turning students in classes, to students in a hospital setting. They have no clinical skills; they won't learn those until they become interns; they don't even know how to draw blood, or read a chart, and until they finish their internships, they can't even draw blood or give injections. There are not enough RN's, paramedics, nor EMT's to take up the slack. And, BTW, RN's can't intubate a patient. Only doctors, paramedics, and respiratory technicians can do this task. Just where are these additional folks being found?

The President is listening to the necessary experts, and it's his job, as owner of the "bully pulpit", to keep morale of citizens up, and give them hope for the future.

Oh, and remember: Amateurs like you talk tactics; professionals know and discuss logistics.

You shouldn't have dropped out of school after the 2nd grade. You missed a lot of learning.
First, there is no law passed by Congress, nor imp... (show quote)

As with all of the mass shootings in recent history, HOPES AND PRAYERS won't bring back the loved ones who've died because of trump's lack of action, won't help those patients in ICU's recover, won't stop the spread of the Covid-19 Virus, and won't miraculously produce the desperately needed medical equipment and supplies!

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Mar 28, 2020 06:26:24   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
LOL You are the biggest fnk liar on this forum lol, how can you lie so easily without a bit of guilt?

And....most Americans and these Democrats agree with me...

Polls: Majority of Americans Approve of Trump’s Response to Coronavirus

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/polls-majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-response-to-coronavirus/

lhan Omar praises Trump's 'incredible' response to coronavirus pandemic

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic

DONALD TRUMP'S FIERCEST CRITICS ARE PRAISING HIS HANDLING OF CORONAVIRUS

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-critics-coronavirus-1493288


California Gov. Newsom refutes media narrative, says Trump has said and done 'everything I could have hoped for' on coronavirus

https://www.theblaze.com/news/california-gov-newsom-refutes-media-narrative-says-trump-has-said-and-done-everything-i-could-have-hoped-for-on-coronavirus?utm_content=bufferb5f5d&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-whitehousebrief
LOL You are the biggest fnk liar on this forum lol... (show quote)

All OLD NEWS!

trump has finally managed to put America first as the world leader in confirmed Covid-19 Virus cases, and the world leader in Covid-19 Virus deaths!

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Mar 28, 2020 06:33:17   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
LWW wrote:
... Act like a citizen.

Stop acting like a desciple of the almighty Oz (oops that should be trump) and face the reality that trump has put every American life at risk with his ineptitude!

Are you enjoying your social distancing?

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Mar 28, 2020 07:01:13   #
Rose42
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
As with all of the mass shootings in recent history, HOPES AND PRAYERS won't bring back the loved ones who've died because of trump's lack of action, won't help those patients in ICU's recover, won't stop the spread of the Covid-19 Virus, and won't miraculously produce the desperately needed medical equipment and supplies!


Do you really care or are you just saying that because you have a rabid dislike of Trump? Did you care when over 60,000 died under Obama’s watch for the swine flu? I doubt it. But people back then were far more sensible and less prone to panic and hysteria.

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Mar 28, 2020 07:07:41   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
BigWahoo wrote:
You are wrong


You are lying, what compounds the problem is that you know it.

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Mar 28, 2020 09:10:06   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Rose42 wrote:
Do you really care or are you just saying that because you have a rabid dislike of Trump? Did you care when over 60,000 died under Obama’s watch for the swine flu? I doubt it. But people back then were far more sensible and less prone to panic and hysteria.


Where do you people get these numbers from... or should I not ask!!!!

MoMo was pushing 18,000 and now you are at 60,000.

The official US death toll for swine flu is 12,469.

No wonder the Trumpeters are considered to spew nothing but BS.

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Mar 28, 2020 09:16:53   #
Steelecrique Loc: Pineville, NC
 
https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-h1n1-swine-flu-770496

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. 2 Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.3

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Mar 28, 2020 09:29:41   #
FrumCA
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
All OLD NEWS!

trump has finally managed to put America first as the world leader in confirmed Covid-19 Virus cases, and the world leader in Covid-19 Virus deaths!

This has to be one of the most idiotic statements about CV-19 ever and an excellent example of why no one actually pays attention to your nonsense.

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Mar 28, 2020 09:32:21   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
FrumCA wrote:
This has to be one of the most idiotic statements about CV-19 ever and an excellent example of why no one actually pays attention to your nonsense.


Of course it is an idiotic statement. That is why it is so applicable to Trump. It absolutely fits his ego of superlatives perfectly.

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Mar 28, 2020 10:43:58   #
Rose42
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Where do you people get these numbers from... or should I not ask!!!!

MoMo was pushing 18,000 and now you are at 60,000.

The official US death toll for swine flu is 12,469.

No wonder the Trumpeters are considered to spew nothing but BS.


LOL! Thats what happens when you talk to someone and post at the same time. My mistake!

And for the umpteenth time I have never been a Trump supporter but I’m not an anti-Trumpernutter either. All they can see is Trump. Are you? Can you not grasp that there are many of us who don’t like the democrat platform yet also won’t vote for Trump? The democrat party is a clown show.

I stand by my point though. I don’t buy the crocodile tears for lives lost when there were no tears before.

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Mar 28, 2020 10:52:24   #
pendennis
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
As with all of the mass shootings in recent history, HOPES AND PRAYERS won't bring back the loved ones who've died because of trump's lack of action, won't help those patients in ICU's recover, won't stop the spread of the Covid-19 Virus, and won't miraculously produce the desperately needed medical equipment and supplies!


I was taught from early on that HOPES AND PRAYERS were not operating plans.

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Mar 28, 2020 10:59:39   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Rose42 wrote:
LOL! Thats what happens when you talk to someone and post at the same time. My mistake!

And for the umpteenth time I have never been a Trump supporter but I’m not an anti-Trumpernutter either. All they can see is Trump. Are you? Can you not grasp that there are many of us who don’t like the democrat platform yet also won’t vote for Trump? The democrat party is a clown show.

I stand by my point though. I don’t buy the crocodile tears for lives lost when there were no tears before.
LOL! Thats what happens when you talk to someone ... (show quote)


You are correct in that you have said before that you are not a Trump supporter, so it was a bit unfair to include you in that group. Nevertheless, feeding the group false information is not good.

And yes, I am an anti-Trumper. I am neither liberal nor conservative; neither democrat nor republican; I don't care which party you vote for in congress or for president. I just don't like Trump. He is a... Never mind, the list is just too long and has been posted many times.

You call the democrat party a clown show; what do you call the republicans? I have no particular pejoratives for the democrats, probably because they seem like the only voice of reason in the era of Trump where the republicans are spineless in calling out Trump's many faults and guffaws. They truly have become the Party of Trump.

The political situation in the US in the past few years has become a mess. Way too much polarization and lack of cooperation across the aisle. No reasoning applied to anything other than to oppose the other side. The latter is exemplified by Trump's push to undo anything and everything that Obama did, not because it was bad, but because of his hatred for Obama. That and his narcism and ego are the only things driving Trump; his love of America and doing things for the little guy is a ruse.

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Mar 28, 2020 11:50:26   #
Rose42
 
JohnFrim wrote:
You are correct in that you have said before that you are not a Trump supporter, so it was a bit unfair to include you in that group. Nevertheless, feeding the group false information is not good.

And yes, I am an anti-Trumper. I am neither liberal nor conservative; neither democrat nor republican; I don't care which party you vote for in congress or for president. I just don't like Trump. He is a... Never mind, the list is just too long and has been posted many times.


I make a distinction between anti Trumpers and the anti Trumpernutters who are prone to say rather stupid things.

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You call the democrat party a clown show; what do you call the republicans? I have no particular pejoratives for the democrats, probably because they seem like the only voice of reason in the era of Trump where the republicans are spineless in calling out Trump's many faults and guffaws. They truly have become the Party of Trump.


The republicans are a complete disaster. Besides Trump, we have McConnell blocking everything. There’s no good reason for him to do that.

The bar is low for voices of reason. Lower than its ever been.

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The political situation in the US in the past few years has become a mess. Way too much polarization and lack of cooperation across the aisle. No reasoning applied to anything other than to oppose the other side. The latter is exemplified by Trump's push to undo anything and everything that Obama did, not because it was bad, but because of his hatred for Obama. That and his narcism and ego are the only things driving Trump; his love of America and doing things for the little guy is a ruse.


The political situation has been building to this point for some time. When Newt Gingich was speaker he ushered in a new era of non cooperation. It accelerated under Obama and Obama divided the country. That division has deepened under Trump. The democrats don’t have anyone in a position to lead. What we need is another JFK.

I’m writing in Pink Panther.

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Mar 28, 2020 12:13:48   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Elsewhere in these forums there is a YouTube link to a video of what covid does to the lungs. It was created my a doctor on a hospital. It was not contrived. I now know wny covid is not like the flu.

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