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Mar 12, 2020 07:25:28   #
HamB
 
Thank you for your rational thoughts.

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Mar 12, 2020 07:53:41   #
tomcat
 
SMPhotography wrote:
This is my take on the evil, soon to wipe out all of mankind, coronavirus. And I spent the last 20 years as a clinical microbiologist so I am speaking from experience, not just through my butt like so many other "experts" have done. This whole "pandemic" thing is utter nonsense, most especially in this country. To date there have been less than 30 deaths from this virus. Compare and contrast to the Flu A/B virus mortality this year, which is now exceeding TWELVE THOUSAND by the latest CDC estimates. It does not take a masters level microbiologist like myself to figure out which is the far more pressing Public Health Threat. It is pure baseless Chicken Little hysteria.

And this is just my opinion, your may mileage may vary, but had this not been an election year, with huge implications at stake, this "pandemic viral infection" would have been barely mentioned. Regardless of what the talking heads on the Clown News Network tell you, coronavirus is NOT new. It was first isolated 40+ years ago and was most recently (before now) implicated in SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) over 17 years ago as well as MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. And there are numerous strains of coronavirus, the discussion of which is outside the scope of this forum. I could go into great detail but I would probably put myself to sleep. The left are using this "pandemic" as a weapon against President Trump's administration, which for someone who was in healthcare as long as I was, is simply beyond the pale. But never let a good crisis go to waste, even if you have to manufacture one. And much to my disgust, the CDC is falling right in line with it. Treatment of diseases should NEVER be political. The President was quick and decisive in actions to minimize the spread of this infection. President Trump could singlehandedly eradicate cancer in an afternoon and the left and totally disingenuous "media" would still brutally criticize him.

So what to do to minimize infection? First and foremost, use good hand washing technique and wash your hands frequently and use hand sanitizer. This virus can be viable outside the human body for up to 24 hours. If you use the rest room, wash your hands thoroughly and use a paper towel to open the doorknob. Try to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose as much as possible. If you are feeling ill and especially if you are febrile, STAY HOME. If you are sick and must venture out, wear a surgical mask, available at any CVS to contain any and all droplets expelled by coughing or sneezing. This is the main mechanism of spreading it. Maintain at least 8 feet between people who are actively coughing and/or sneezing and look at what they may touch and avoid it. Common sense prevails.
This is my take on the evil, soon to wipe out all ... (show quote)


Thanks for sharing this. I am a retired research biochemist--over 48 years in infectious diseases and protein chemistry research. What you said here is spot-on and I think the hysteria started with the Chinese infectious rate. I am one of those elders (71 years old) and I have really limited my exposure to public places for the time being, just to be cautious. I stay hidden during the winter and early spring months. I'm more concerned over a bout of bronchitis now than ever because there are only 2 antibiotics left in my arsenal--I'm allergic to all the others.

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Mar 12, 2020 08:13:17   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Xmsmn wrote:
Just curious , SMP, how you correlate the global (non-US) issues with Covid-19 with a US election year.


Some in the US are already blaming one person.

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Mar 12, 2020 08:17:09   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
SMPhotography wrote:
This is my take on the evil, soon to wipe out all of mankind, coronavirus. And I spent the last 20 years as a clinical microbiologist so I am speaking from experience, not just through my butt like so many other "experts" have done. This whole "pandemic" thing is utter nonsense, most especially in this country. To date there have been less than 30 deaths from this virus. Compare and contrast to the Flu A/B virus mortality this year, which is now exceeding TWELVE THOUSAND by the latest CDC estimates. It does not take a masters level microbiologist like myself to figure out which is the far more pressing Public Health Threat. It is pure baseless Chicken Little hysteria.

And this is just my opinion, your may mileage may vary, but had this not been an election year, with huge implications at stake, this "pandemic viral infection" would have been barely mentioned. Regardless of what the talking heads on the Clown News Network tell you, coronavirus is NOT new. It was first isolated 40+ years ago and was most recently (before now) implicated in SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) over 17 years ago as well as MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. And there are numerous strains of coronavirus, the discussion of which is outside the scope of this forum. I could go into great detail but I would probably put myself to sleep. The left are using this "pandemic" as a weapon against President Trump's administration, which for someone who was in healthcare as long as I was, is simply beyond the pale. But never let a good crisis go to waste, even if you have to manufacture one. And much to my disgust, the CDC is falling right in line with it. Treatment of diseases should NEVER be political. The President was quick and decisive in actions to minimize the spread of this infection. President Trump could singlehandedly eradicate cancer in an afternoon and the left and totally disingenuous "media" would still brutally criticize him.

So what to do to minimize infection? First and foremost, use good hand washing technique and wash your hands frequently and use hand sanitizer. This virus can be viable outside the human body for up to 24 hours. If you use the rest room, wash your hands thoroughly and use a paper towel to open the doorknob. Try to keep your hands away from your mouth and nose as much as possible. If you are feeling ill and especially if you are febrile, STAY HOME. If you are sick and must venture out, wear a surgical mask, available at any CVS to contain any and all droplets expelled by coughing or sneezing. This is the main mechanism of spreading it. Maintain at least 8 feet between people who are actively coughing and/or sneezing and look at what they may touch and avoid it. Common sense prevails.
This is my take on the evil, soon to wipe out all ... (show quote)

This is something to think about if you want a fast vaccine and most pharmaceutical medications.

https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html

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Mar 12, 2020 08:46:09   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
SMPhotography wrote:
The flu vaccine is also somewhat of a panacea. Right now the current flu vaccine immunizes against 4 strains of flu A and B; 2 of each. It is ignorant to think that these are the only strains out floating around. All viruses undergo something called "antigenic drift" which is a fancy microbiology/genetic term (I was a clinical microbiologist before I retired) for viruses mutating over time. Eventually the capsule/non-capsule antigens (proteins that illicit an immune response) change so a vaccine which was designed to illicit antibody production or other mechanisms of removal, which are outside the scope of this discussion, against the parent strain are no longer effective. Microbiology and bugs engage in a never ending game of "one-up-manship".
The flu vaccine is also somewhat of a panacea. Rig... (show quote)


Very informative. There is no universal flu vaccine as SMPhotography points out. Viruses always changing. I am afraid that the media have scared the public to an unnecessary degree. Indeed only 0.006% of the Chinese population has been affected and the percentage currently affected is much less. It is also true that the symptoms for most are mild to moderate - like colds and flu for most. This is hardly the Black Death of the 14th century.

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Mar 12, 2020 08:50:45   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
fetzler wrote:
Very informative. There is no universal flu vaccine as SMPhotography points out. Viruses always changing. I am afraid that the media have scared the public to an unnecessary degree. Indeed only 0.006% of the Chinese population has been affected and the percentage currently affected is much less. It is also true that the symptoms for most are mild to moderate - like colds and flu for most. This is hardly the Black Death of the 14th century.

"This is hardly the Black Death of the 14th century"

It is if a member of your family or close friend has died..

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Mar 12, 2020 08:59:50   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
traderjohn wrote:
This is something to think about if you want a fast vaccine and most pharmaceutical medications.

https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html


I worked for a drug company for many years as a scientist. The responsibility of the FDA is to insure that drugs are both safe and effective. It is up to the company to demonstrate safety and effectiveness. As someone who also worked for the federal government (not FDA), the government position is that all outsiders are lairs and cheats unless proven otherwise. The system is very good at ensuring safety and effectiveness but is not speedy or easy. For a drug that I helped launched, the FDA required a $100 million dollar clinical trial AFTER approval. This could bankrupt a small company.

In my experience big companies don't cheat much as the costs are too great. Smaller companies are more likely to cheat.

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Mar 12, 2020 09:20:52   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
traderjohn wrote:
"This is hardly the Black Death of the 14th century"

It is if a member of your family or close friend has died..


Even though I don't want anyone to die, the fact is that we all will die sooner or later. A few years ago, I suffered from a condition where 30% do not survive. You might note the 17 million folks die of infectious diseases each year. Annually 12,000 to 61,000 die each year from the flu in the US. There are also in the neighborhood of 10,000 murders each year in the US. Deaths from drug overdoses in 2017 was approximately 70,000. There are also 36,000 traffic fatalities each year in the US. Let's not forget Cancer too. I am sure that the vast majority of the families if each of these individuals grieved.

Can you imagine the psychological impact on people if we had hourly and daily updates on the each of the above causes for death.

In perspective, the Black Death of the 14th century killed between 33-50% of the populations. This absolutely scarred the psychology of the survivors.

I am uncertain now what is worse the the disease or the "cure". The media has certainly not been very responsible.

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Mar 12, 2020 10:00:40   #
SMPhotography Loc: Pawleys Island, SC
 
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Mar 12, 2020 10:03:52   #
SMPhotography Loc: Pawleys Island, SC
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
Here comes the FAUX NEWS TROLLS. The man provide actual technical information and you take the low road...


"Faux News". Cute, did have a 4 year old help you come up with that? I bet you even think CNN is not biased. How do you breathe with your head buried that deeply up your rectum? Everyone you disagree with is a troll right, my how positively "progressive" of you. Grow the hell up, are you going to be willfully blind your entire life? I am a retired clinical microbiologist. I have forgotten more bacteriology, parasitology, mycology and virology than someone like you would acquire in 3 lifetimes. Now go back and sit at the card table with the rest of the children and let the adults talk, ok?

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Mar 12, 2020 10:13:28   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
fetzler wrote:
I worked for a drug company for many years as a scientist. The responsibility of the FDA is to insure that drugs are both safe and effective. It is up to the company to demonstrate safety and effectiveness. As someone who also worked for the federal government (not FDA), the government position is that all outsiders are lairs and cheats unless proven otherwise. The system is very good at ensuring safety and effectiveness but is not speedy or easy. For a drug that I helped launched, the FDA required a $100 million dollar clinical trial AFTER approval. This could bankrupt a small company.

In my experience big companies don't cheat much as the costs are too great. Smaller companies are more likely to cheat.
I worked for a drug company for many years as a sc... (show quote)

"the government position is that all outsiders are liars and cheats,"
How ironic is that the US Govt. would think that about "outsiders"
Would that be a good example of an oxymoron?

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Mar 12, 2020 10:15:49   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
SMPhotography wrote:
Thank you, finally someone who gets it. 27 fatalities in this country from coronavirus and over 8000 from the flu. Which is the greater public health threat?


Stupid.

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Mar 12, 2020 10:30:49   #
alexol
 
TriX wrote:
I greatly appreciate your professional information (my father was a microbiologist), but attributing a world wide issue to local politics and assigning the US and world’s reaction to some Machiavellian plot to prevent Donald Trump’s re-election is an amazingly right wing piece of imagination and paranoia and just plain silly. Please leave the politics out of this discussion, and just confine the thread to the technical details which you are competent to comment on. Your political comments will send this thread to the attic, and if you want to politicize this illness, that’s where it belongs. Btw, I agree with you about the contrast with influenza and number of deaths, but you have failed to mention the difference in death rate % from each.

No need to respond - I won’t be watching.
I greatly appreciate your professional information... (show quote)




And no, I won't be following either.

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Mar 12, 2020 10:37:51   #
srscary Loc: Cary, NC
 
>>It's that it spreads easier and faster
>>than anything else out there right now...
>>DIRTY HARRY


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Mar 12, 2020 10:43:34   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
TriX wrote:
I greatly appreciate your professional information (my father was a microbiologist), but attributing a world wide issue to local politics and assigning the US and world’s reaction to some Machiavellian plot to prevent Donald Trump’s re-election is an amazingly right wing piece of imagination and paranoia and just plain silly. Please leave the politics out of this discussion, and just confine the thread to the technical details which you are competent to comment on. Your political comments will send this thread to the attic, and if you want to politicize this illness, that’s where it belongs. Btw, I agree with you about the contrast with influenza and number of deaths, but you have failed to mention the difference in death rate % from each.

No need to respond - I won’t be watching.
I greatly appreciate your professional information... (show quote)


Here, here! 👍👍

Stan

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