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Mar 9, 2020 19:42:27   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
For outdoor (and some indoor} events I had a box that was 15" high that I could stand on to take shots over the masses. Would be great for the Ceremony. - Dave

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Mar 9, 2020 20:04:40   #
fotoman150
 
zumarose wrote:
I'm a hobbyist photographer. My friends ask me from time to time to shoot for pay. I always decline. Instead I offer to do the shoot for free and if they like the photos they can keep them. That's worked out well so far. Somebody wanted photos for their website. Somebody else wanted photos for their horse. All turned out fine. Takes the pressure off me and I stretch myself.

But wait! A young friend recently asked me to photograph her wedding. When my heart rate went back to normal I gave the best response I could. I was honored and would do it if she didn't have alternatives, but this was not a job for a friend. I went through every reason why. Told her about my specific objections and my limitations and that this was not false modesty but real reasons why I wasn't the right choice.
Fast forward. Well it seems that she doesn't have too many options because I just found out her entire wedding budget today and it won't stretch to a pro photographer.

She's getting married on a hilltop with a view for miles at noon in high summer in California. Reception and food outdoors and cake and dancing inside. About 65 people.

I'm going to do my best to accommodate her and I have a couple of months to prepare myself. I have two camera bodies, neither of which are full frame. I have some basic indoor lightboxes and a couple of deflectors. I've never been fond of zoom lenses and prefer prime. I have a Tamron 90 mm, a Tokina 11-16, a Nikkor 18-200 which for some reason is no longer autofocusing (I'll take it in to have it looked at) so I can only use it in manual mode, and a 35 mm 1.8 and 1.4. Looking over my glass inventory I see that I don't have a solid workhorse lens which can be easily adaptable to any situation. I'm willing to buy or rent such a lens. I adore my 1.4 but I don't need the low light feature outdoors. I think my wide angle could be good for a shot of the actual ceremony with about 40 miles of landscape behind it. But really thinking I need to have a goto lens for all purpose shots.
I'd love input and suggestions from people more experienced than myself.
What should I take or buy or use?
I am good with composition and decent in Lightroom. I'm thinking if I shoot in Aperture mode with a good basic lens I can deliver some good shots.
Please don't tell me to just say no. I tried that. I think if I don't step up to the plate we're relying on someone's Iphone. And I'm willing to work to hone my skills.
I have a personal photo blog at ordinarycapture.tumblr.com which should show what I've done in the past. Don't expect to get bowled over.
This person and her fiance are very dear to me and I'd like to step up for them. Thanks to all.
I'm a hobbyist photographer. My friends ask me fro... (show quote)


It always happens this way. They have money for cake and venue and food and preacher and limo but no money for a photographer. All of the things that don’t last they spend money on. At the end there will be the rings, the dress, and the photos. Everything else is eaten and past into the toilet or goes away.

I never do anything free. At least make them pay a deposit and refund it if they let you do the work.

Several times I have offered free services as an experienced wedding photographer and then someone coughs up the money to hire a photographer and instead of hiring and paying me they hire someone else. Meanwhile, I kept the date open for them and couldn’t book anyone else.

If you’re free they have no respect for you. My bet is they hire someone after all and waste your time.

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Mar 9, 2020 21:32:15   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
zumarose wrote:
Thank you. I'll look into that. Or maybe this will be the impetus for med to go to full frame. But then are my other lenses useless. I'll look into that


Now might not be a good time to change camera bodies unless you can spend all your time with them getting familiar.

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Mar 9, 2020 21:33:05   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
The 24-70 f2.8 is by all accounts a great lens. Not a lightweight.

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Mar 9, 2020 23:00:58   #
John7199 Loc: Eastern Mass.
 
This is not the end of the world - Back in film days I did 2 friend weddings. (Talk about stress I didn't know if anything would come out until they were developed.) I developed the film and gave them contact sheets and negatives. I am not a pro but I was working as a bartender at a function hall - so I got to see a lot of weddings. Try to get a look at other peoples wedding photos. There are certain shots that are expected.
My gift to these friends was the photos.
Good Luck, You will do great!

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Mar 10, 2020 00:03:36   #
jdub82 Loc: Northern California
 
fotoman150 wrote:
It always happens this way. They have money for cake and venue and food and preacher and limo but no money for a photographer. All of the things that don’t last they spend money on. At the end there will be the rings, the dress, and the photos. Everything else is eaten and past into the toilet or goes away.

I never do anything free. At least make them pay a deposit and refund it if they let you do the work.

Several times I have offered free services as an experienced wedding photographer and then someone coughs up the money to hire a photographer and instead of hiring and paying me they hire someone else. Meanwhile, I kept the date open for them and couldn’t book anyone else.

If you’re free they have no respect for you. My bet is they hire someone after all and waste your time.
It always happens this way. They have money for ca... (show quote)


If you read the original post, you'll see that the whole wedding is very low budget. It amazes me that many on UHH can't seem to understand that there are many people who get married, and can't spend a lot of money on a wedding, but they do want pictures for the memories. The OP has already decided to do this. All the "don't do this" posts are not helpful. He is doing the pictures for a small wedding as a kind gesture for a friend.

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Mar 10, 2020 07:44:49   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Definitely will need the reflectors to fill in shadows. And an assistant. Maybe rent a lens to replace the Nikkor. I think zooms are going to be more useful since you will be composing shot after shot with different numbers of people. With the zooms you compose with a twist of the wrist. With primes you got to back up, go forward.... What a pain.

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Mar 10, 2020 10:23:57   #
fotoman150
 
jdub82 wrote:
If you read the original post, you'll see that the whole wedding is very low budget. It amazes me that many on UHH can't seem to understand that there are many people who get married, and can't spend a lot of money on a wedding, but they do want pictures for the memories. The OP has already decided to do this. All the "don't do this" posts are not helpful. He is doing the pictures for a small wedding as a kind gesture for a friend.


I understand that but I predict what will happen is eventually someone will offer them money to pay for a photographer and the OP will change cameras, buy new lenses, keep the date open and eventually he won’t even be allowed to do the wedding. I see it happen all the time. Happened to me twice and I put a stop to it. If a friend wants me to do a wedding I charge them a deposit and if they let me to do the wedding then I return the deposit.

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Mar 10, 2020 10:26:21   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
Silverrails wrote:
No, your other lens ARE NOT USELESS


BELIEVE this, Rose!
Your equipment is plenty sufficient. Except for that busted zoom! Flash is a goodness. Forget the beautiful views for all a few landscape photos, then concentrate on PEOPLE! (What are your main subjects anyway? The bride and groom and friends!)

Do pre-scout your location, and did I mention FLASH is a goodness? TTL and Bounce Flash, if the ceilings are high, and/or some weird color that will farble your color balance. Bounce card for direct photos. Rubber band a white index card to the flash head to direct light forward, and provide a catchlight in the eyes. Talk to your friend, and see what she would like, then do your best to fulfill her wishes.
Wear comfortable shoes!
YOU are her PHOTOGRAPHER! Do not let mothers in law dictate your actions, and be positive, but not rude to all those ignorant people with cell phones who think they are more important than anyone!
Your cameras will have several pre-set "scenes"...see if one will serve, then PRACTICE...waste a few Pixels!.

FORGET shooting MANUAL!

One woman photographer I admired is no longer on You Tube, but she had a "formula" for weddings: TTL, Aperture priority, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance for differing light levels, inside and outside.

Flash: No need to spend $$$ for manufacturers' flashes...they are overpriced, but do a great job. A simple,(relatively) inexpen$ive "offshore" TTL (very important) flash will be your friend! BUT! Practice beforehand! Shanghai a friend or family member to act as your voice-activated model!

Set what you can beforehand, so you will not be dithering about changing some inconsequential thing, and miss a great shot! DON'T WORRY! You will do fine!

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Mar 10, 2020 10:38:57   #
ricosha Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
 
robertjerl wrote:
Nikon users and wedding photographers in general will need to know which cameras you have.

Look here for tutorials: https://www.google.com/search?q=wedding+photography+tutorials+youtube&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS852US852&oq=wedding+photography+tutori&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l6.19267j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I have been there a couple of times myself. The last time it was a good friend (my wife and I were married in her beautifully landscaped yard/garden).
Myself and our daughter were asked to do photos, my wife used our videocam to video it and the guests were encouraged to all bring cameras or use their phones. Then everyone put their photos on thumb drives etc and they were all then put on the new husband's computer. He got some editing software and between him and her daughter (school mate of our daughter) and a few of her friends from college here 3 years later they are still finding and doing more photos and videos etc. Between everyone they got 3000+ stills, almost 2000 from myself and our daughter plus about a dozen videos. My daughter did about 1100 of the dinner and dancing that went on for hours and we had a spot we took turns doing posed shots of guests with the bride and groom. And almost all of the nearly 100+ guests wanted to pose with them. The first month they had an album from the shots I and our daughter did. But with so many they just keep finding gems. It has been a bit of an adventure for them.

The wedding(just minutes before sundown with the warm light from the west), meal and dance took place in the same yard my wife and I were married in but it long ago had a pool and concrete deck added. Her home is on a high hill at the south west end with the back yard right at the edge of the very steep south slope so it is lite by the afternoon sun with a mountain range a few miles south across the valley. And when her father died several years ago she found a gardener who maintained the landscaping he had done (gardening was his hobby) way back when she and her first husband bought the house. So trees that had been saplings when my wife and I got married there are now grown but that gardener she found had kept her father's landscaping by replacing the plants when one dies etc. Just that over half of what was grass is now pool and deck. The spot my wife and I were married at is now about the 4-5 foot deep part of the pool.
Nikon users and wedding photographers in general w... (show quote)


Wow...a great recomendation and story...

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Mar 10, 2020 11:21:30   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Use the "Quote Reply" option to respond to a specific post.
I said it because someone always does here.
It was meant partly to be tongue-in-cheek, but just know that it can be a stresser especially if you've never done one.
I fully understand people's budgets or lack thereof.
That's why I'm trying to help.
Honestly, I don't know where our own wedding album is, but the kids will want to see it someday.

Get someone who knows everyone to help get groups together.



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Mar 10, 2020 11:27:46   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Yup! I have been photographing weddings for over 50 years and I am still at it.

I don't make a habit of posting here to discourage folks from experiencing new "adventures" in their photographic endeavors. Believe me, however, taking on a wedding assignment without lots of prior experience, training, professional mentoring and a proper breaking-in period is a MISADVENTURE in the offing. This is advice I often offer, problem is, most folks simply don't listen!

When I hear words like "I never use flash" and a smattering of advice on lens usage, gear requirements, old wedding "horror stories" and "I once did a wedding 30 years ago///" there are all danger signals to me.

Alright, folks will argue that wedding photography ain't brain surgery, nuclear physics, or rocket science- maybe so but it is a specialty that requires a compliment of important finite skill sets and seamless work methods that can't be acquired overnight. It's serious work, not always fun!

Y'all know what the officiator says at some weddings, something like "...speak now or forever hold your peace...", I have spoken and will now go away in peace.

Peace and love, brothers and sisters.
Yup! I have been photographing weddings for over ... (show quote)



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Mar 10, 2020 11:52:14   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
jdub82 wrote:
If you read the original post, you'll see that the whole wedding is very low budget. It amazes me that many on UHH can't seem to understand that there are many people who get married and can't spend a lot of money on a wedding, but they do want pictures for the memories. The OP has already decided to do this. All the "don't do this" posts are not helpful. He is doing the pictures for a small wedding as a kind gesture for a friend.


I love to be "helpful" but help includes telling folks the possible ramifications of doing work they are not qualified for. I have seen a number of well-meaning, generous and altruistic folks end up on the nasty end of a lawsuit as a result of venturing into wedding photography without knowing exactly what they are doing.

What's worse, is that some of the suggestions in this and similar threads are inaccurate, and obviously not actually based on time-honored practices and experience. Some of it is sour advice based on the writer's bad experiences caused bt inept approaches.

Hopefully, the aforementioned hard luck will no befall our OP and she will emerg vicariously and intact. I feel, however, it is irresponsible to encourage anyone to do something that may falter without pointing out the risks.

As I have previously mentioned, I have been at this for a very long time and have trained many talented wedding photographers. Before I advise anyone to go out and do a solo shoot at any wedding, regardless of the size or budget of the affair, they have trained as an assistant and/or second shooter for at least a year and many are already competent professionals or advanced amateurs in other photographic specialties. For me, just telling someone bit's and pieces like bringing spare equipment, what lenses to buy, rent or use, or a few lighting tips and avoiding mothers-in-law, just doesn't cut it.

I have nothing against amateur photographers and I have taught and trained many of them to be stellar wedding shooters and successful professionals.

I have seen the classic scenario many times where the bride and groom say they ain't fussy and don't expect anything perfect but after the fact, if they are not satisfied, they become critical aficionados of
fine photography and all hell breaks loose!

I can only advise or suggest- I can't insist and won't argue endlessly! The OP is an adult and will make up her own mind!

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Mar 10, 2020 13:26:53   #
Robinbs Loc: Colorado
 
I agree with using a flash. If there is ant low light shots needed, I would recommend a flash with a guide number of 60 or higher.

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Mar 10, 2020 16:43:21   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I love to be "helpful" but help includes telling folks the possible ramifications of doing work they are not qualified for. I have seen a number of well-meaning, generous and altruistic folks end up on the nasty end of a lawsuit as a result of venturing into wedding photography without knowing exactly what they are doing.

What's worse, is that some of the suggestions in this and similar threads are inaccurate, and obviously not actually based on time-honored practices and experience. Some of it is sour advice based on the writer's bad experiences caused bt inept approaches.

Hopefully, the aforementioned hard luck will no befall our OP and she will emerg vicariously and intact. I feel, however, it is irresponsible to encourage anyone to do something that may falter without pointing out the risks.

As I have previously mentioned, I have been at this for a very long time and have trained many talented wedding photographers. Before I advise anyone to go out and do a solo shoot at any wedding, regardless of the size or budget of the affair, they have trained as an assistant and/or second shooter for at least a year and many are already competent professionals or advanced amateurs in other photographic specialties. For me, just telling someone bit's and pieces like bringing spare equipment, what lenses to buy, rent or use, or a few lighting tips and avoiding mothers-in-law, just doesn't cut it.

I have nothing against amateur photographers and I have taught and trained many of them to be stellar wedding shooters and successful professionals.

I have seen the classic scenario many times where the bride and groom say they ain't fussy and don't expect anything perfect but after the fact, if they are not satisfied, they become critical aficionados of
fine photography and all hell breaks loose!

I can only advise or suggest- I can't insist and won't argue endlessly! The OP is an adult and will make up her own mind!
I love to be "helpful" but help includes... (show quote)


I remember you' You were the guy that said Weddings could not be done with 35mm cameras. Then Bill Stockwell came along and showed us how to take 150 to 200 shots of the Weddings and the "Weekend Shooters" followed his advice and took your business away. I am sure this OP can do the Wedding and get pics that will be loved. He is willing to decide which hints will help and those that wont. So down with the sour grapes already. - Dave

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