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Opinion: Trump Believes Making America Competitive Depends on Slashing Americans’ Wages
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Feb 18, 2020 11:33:43   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Cykdelic wrote:
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Average Salary Information for U.S. Workers
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median wage for workers in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2019 was $936 per week or $48,672 per year. Wages were 4% higher than on the same date for the previous year.1


But but but but ...

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Feb 18, 2020 20:11:19   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I know it is hard but try to get over the fact it is not the job of government to make sure everybody receives a living wage. There are many jobs such as fast food restaurants, clerks in a store, digging ditches as a day laborer, sweeping out warehouses that do not take a college education. These jobs and more are usually taken on by high school students who are just starting out in the work force. These jobs give newbies a basic education in being prepared for employment full time later on. Hopefully these kids learn to be on time, dress appropriately, get along with co workers and customers if any and then how to save money for later on in their lives. Basically these ENTRY LEVEL jobs teach good habits to be used later on. Of course many retired people seek out these part time jobs as well just for the extra cash and to stay active. But let's face it...these jobs were never meant to be full time for anybody to feed their family. That was only during the Obama Reign of Terror when these part times were all that was generally available.

Yet you Socialist Left Wingers insist that EVERYBODY receive a living wage for all jobs as if they all are raising a family with two kids. College kids are not raising that family nor are high school kids. Retirees aren't either. Again, it is not the job of government to dictate wage levels. Only in a Socialist country does that happen.

In America, since the founding of the country with a Capitalist work system an employer offers a specific job at a specific wage. All interested are welcome to apply for that job at that wage level. If it is not enough to feed your family then apply for a job that pays more money. Now if you do not have the requisite education or skills to be selected for that job then it is YOU who needs to make a change in YOUR skill level either by starting out in lower paying similar jobs OR getting an education that will give you the skill level. Once again this is on the employee and not on the government.

Dennis
I know it is hard but try to get over the fact it ... (show quote)

In the early days of our country, there were apprenticeships where laborers could learn a trade. The forerunner of OJT (On the Job Training).

Where are those programs today?

There are very few companies that have OJT programs in the 21st Century.

Why?

When the job market is so tight this is the time when OJT programs are truly needed. Train the workers of the future!

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Feb 18, 2020 20:14:41   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
boberic wrote:
And how do they do that?

Wage suppression!

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Feb 18, 2020 20:19:35   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Wage suppression!


And how do they do that?

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Feb 18, 2020 20:55:22   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
LWW wrote:
And how do they do that?


They invite illegals into the country, into the work force.

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Feb 18, 2020 20:59:21   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
WNYShooter wrote:
My father worked a full time job, and a part time job, along with numerous weekend side jobs, & once my siblings and I were in school, my mom worked two part time jobs.

From the mid 40's to the mid 70's for a family of 5 my father worked a single job to support us.

Yes my mother did take an occasional part-time job, but that money went into our annual vacation fund. It wasn't needed for our day to day living expenses. My mother also put away a portion of every one of my father's pay checks into a savings account that was used to pay cash to replace the family vehicle every 3 years because of the high mileage put on between carpooling to my dad's job (3 men in our town would rotate driving to work, a trip of about 30 miles in each direction) and weekend trips. My parents always waited until the end of model year sales to order their new wagon.

We also were on the road every weekend driving 60 to 80 miles in each direction to visit both sides of our family. My mother always brought food with us for those trips, we weren't free loading off of the relatives

We would help out with the chores around my aunt's farm, cleaning the stalls, feeding the chickens, collecting the eggs, weeding the gardens, planting and picking the fruits and veggies, cutting raking bailing and stacking the hay, chopping and stacking wood for the winter, banking the house to reduce drafts from the winter winds, canning and preserving the fruits and veggies we had picked, hauling in sap to boil down into syrup. We also did the laundry between trips and brought it back up with us.

Needless to say, we lived well within our means.

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Feb 19, 2020 00:03:59   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
THEY also don't seem to take account of the fact that many rich people such as Bill Gates and numerous corporation donate Billions of dollars to the rest of us in the form of scholarships, museums, food banks and so on. This is over and above what they pay in taxes.

Dennis

Scholarships with strict requirements that those who are truly in need of can't quality for.

Museums with admission fees that the economically challenged can't afford.

Food banks for those who can't make ends meet because of low paying jobs, or those who've lost their jobs.

When was the last time that you searched for a scholarship in a field which you needed to study for a work related field, and actually looked at the restrictions on the scholarships being offered in that field?

Hint, you need to be at least a half time student taking at least two classes per semester. If you can only take one class per semester, you DON'T qualify for any scholarships. Believe me, I've looked high and low for scholarships to cover one class per semester, they pretty much don't exist.

You might find one here or there if you were studying something like nursing or a sciene, were born in a specific town, or were on the cheerleading squad in high school, but not a generic scholarship for a single class which someone in need of financial assistance could qualify for.

By the way, those "charitable" donations by the "Bill Gates" of the world are huge tax deductions to reduce their tax liabilities!

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Feb 19, 2020 00:05:47   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
LWW wrote:
And how do they do that?

Read a book!

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Feb 19, 2020 00:14:31   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Read a book!


So you don’t know.

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Feb 19, 2020 06:34:44   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Scholarships with strict requirements that those who are truly in need of can't quality for.

Museums with admission fees that the economically challenged can't afford.

Food banks for those who can't make ends meet because of low paying jobs, or those who've lost their jobs.

When was the last time that you searched for a scholarship in a field which you needed to study for a work related field, and actually looked at the restrictions on the scholarships being offered in that field?

Hint, you need to be at least a half time student taking at least two classes per semester. If you can only take one class per semester, you DON'T qualify for any scholarships. Believe me, I've looked high and low for scholarships to cover one class per semester, they pretty much don't exist.

You might find one here or there if you were studying something like nursing or a sciene, were born in a specific town, or were on the cheerleading squad in high school, but not a generic scholarship for a single class which someone in need of financial assistance could qualify for.

By the way, those "charitable" donations by the "Bill Gates" of the world are huge tax deductions to reduce their tax liabilities!
Scholarships with strict requirements that those w... (show quote)


Everything is just purely hopeless in your world...it must truly suck!

BTW, if you need to take a class a work related field, most all employers will pick up at least a part of that as they not only get a write-off for it, but it also tends to make you more knowledgeable and productive.

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Feb 19, 2020 11:01:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Scholarships with strict requirements that those who are truly in need of can't quality for.

Museums with admission fees that the economically challenged can't afford.

Food banks for those who can't make ends meet because of low paying jobs, or those who've lost their jobs.

When was the last time that you searched for a scholarship in a field which you needed to study for a work related field, and actually looked at the restrictions on the scholarships being offered in that field?

Hint, you need to be at least a half time student taking at least two classes per semester. If you can only take one class per semester, you DON'T qualify for any scholarships. Believe me, I've looked high and low for scholarships to cover one class per semester, they pretty much don't exist.

You might find one here or there if you were studying something like nursing or a sciene, were born in a specific town, or were on the cheerleading squad in high school, but not a generic scholarship for a single class which someone in need of financial assistance could qualify for.

By the way, those "charitable" donations by the "Bill Gates" of the world are huge tax deductions to reduce their tax liabilities!
Scholarships with strict requirements that those w... (show quote)


Where have you been? First off there are people from the lower ranks of society that receive scholarships all the time. Do you not know this? There are also funds available for students to receive scholarships but students do not fill out the proper forms to get the money. Now, using common sense, whose fault is that? Is it my fault, the government's fault or is it the fault of the student.

You seem to think as most Socialists would do, that people should be taken by the hand and led through their life so no harm befalls them. God forbid that a person from the lower levels in America should have to lift a finger for their own benefit. This is where my often remarked statements of, Education and Hard Work, come into play. People in other stratas of society get educated, work hard to succeed and yet you Socialists expect for those in the lower strata to not need to do those things. But you ALSO expect them to graduate with the highest grade levels even though they didn't work for any of it. Being a poor person, black, white, Hispanic or otherwise does not guarantee an instant success rate in America.

Let's take a look at your list:

Qualifying for a scholarship should be a matter of getting good grades but without the financial benefits to attend school. Are not scholarships already given for those people who fit those circumstances? Do you expect every single needy person to receive a full scholarship? Have you or your family ever received every single thing you wanted for free? I sure have not.

Yes I guess some museums do have high prices to visit. Of course they have overhead to take care of or it would not be a good museum. I do think some museums have free days. I also think just like anything else in life that money can be saved and allocated for that purpose.

I am not sure why you mention food banks at all. Yes there are food banks that give free food to the needy. Isn't that what you are whining about?

I have never personally even considered a scholarship. On the other hand I have worked part time and full time jobs while going to school. The thought of taking money from someone just to attend school never entered my mind. If I am mentally and physically capable of working for what I have (and I have been all my life) I would never take money from the government or anybody else.

You are indeed a silly man. If you are ONLY taking one class per semester and you can't afford to do that without a scholarship you are truly a needy person but it isn't a financial need. Get off your butt and work for the money for that one class. Was it basketweaving per chance.

Of course the people who offer Scholarships receive tax deductions. Why shouldn't they. Does that in any way mean they are not helping millions of others receive an education they would not otherwise have?

I am sorry my friend but your warped way of thinking is devoid of common sense. I don't know if I have ever personally met anyone so expecting of government assistance for anything as you. But then again you are probably Bernie Sanders in disguise.

Dennis

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Feb 19, 2020 11:35:08   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
WNYShooter wrote:
Everything is just purely hopeless in your world...it must truly suck!

BTW, if you need to take a class a work related field, most all employers will pick up at least a part of that as they not only get a write-off for it, but it also tends to make you more knowledgeable and productive.


Well said. Let's not forget that those people who serve in the military are able to go to school on the GI Bill. I did fresh from Vietnam and it worked well for me. Of course that would mean all of the people shutterbug is talking about would have to actually do something for themselves rather than continue living off the government.

Dennis

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Feb 19, 2020 11:55:35   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Well said. Let's not forget that those people who serve in the military are able to go to school on the GI Bill. I did fresh from Vietnam and it worked well for me. Of course that would mean all of the people shutterbug is talking about would have to actually do something for themselves rather than continue living off the government.

Dennis


Do ... some ... thing ... for ... one ... self???

What is this madness of which you speak???

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Feb 19, 2020 13:15:00   #
Angmo
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Well said. Let's not forget that those people who serve in the military are able to go to school on the GI Bill. I did fresh from Vietnam and it worked well for me. Of course that would mean all of the people shutterbug is talking about would have to actually do something for themselves rather than continue living off the government.

Dennis


Paid for my bachelors and masters degree. Bought a home with no down payment.

And I saw the world. And saw how evil - evil lefties are world wide including our own special evil leftie Dems. No difference.

Our Constitution barely keeps them controlled. That’s why they slowly chip away at it over the past 100 years.

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Feb 19, 2020 13:16:39   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Kraken wrote:
I know facts have a hard time surviving and garnering any credibility in Trump’s truth-free political swamp, but let’s give asserting a few facts at the outset here the old college try.

FACT: Homelessness in the U.S. has increased for the third year in a row under Trump’s rule.

FACT: Despite low unemployment rates, poverty is increasing. West Virginia is a telling case study of how the jobs being created, particularly in retail and service industries, do not pay a living wage.

As Sean O’Leary, senior budget analyst for the West Virginia Center on Budget and Policy, told CBS News, “It’s cashiers, retail sales people, service employees — those are our fastest growing jobs, but those jobs don’t pay very well.”

Tara Martinez, executive director of a soup kitchen in West Virginia, elaborated, “”The jobs that are available are minimum wage and part time — they don’t have benefits.”

Poverty, homelessness, and despair continue, even for those who are working and seek work in this supposedly thriving economy.

FACT: An astounding percentage of those working in the wealthiest nation on earth live on the edge. One third of all workers make less than $12 per hour and 42% make less than $15 per hour. A third of the population has no savings, and another third has less than a $1,000 in savings, leaving little to no wiggle room for any unexpected expense, such as medical expense or routine car repair. Fourteen percent of Americans live in poverty, as reported by Forbes, a publication far from being a liberal rag. These are stressful conditions.

Now, you may wonder how the conditions detailed in these factoids can be consistent with the news of a supposedly thriving economy boasting historically low unemployment rates and record stock market levels.

It’s not really that hard to figure out, though, when we exercise our collective memory a bit and recall how Donald Trump forecast his plan for enhancing America’s competitiveness in the global economy and for, as the red hat too often reminds us, making America great again.

Let’s jump in our DeLorean, charge up the flux capacitor, and return to the Republican primary debate on the Fox Business Network in November 2015.

Trump claimed then that American wages were “too high.” And he echoed and underscored this position the next day in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

When Mika Brzezinski asserted that “nobody can live” on the federal minimum wage of $7.50 an hour, Trump responded:

“We have to become competitive with the world. Our taxes are too high, our wages are too high. Everything is too high. We have to compete with other countries.”

“We have got to do something to compete with the rest of the world. Our country is not competitive anymore. That’s why we’re losing all of the manufacturers.”

We should not be surprised that so many Americans are suffering, that misery is on the rise, in this “thriving” economy, precisely because Trump sees the path to making the American economy great as entailing the worsening of many American’s individual economic well-being.

As the great writer and poet Maya Angelou tells us, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”

Any economist worth their salt will tell you that the goal of an economy should be to produce and distribute goods and services in the most efficient way possible to meet the needs of the people living within that economy.

Trump has shown no desire to meet the needs of the American people, and that is not in his economic plan.

Consider healthcare. Last year a federal judge in Texas threatened millions of Americans’ health care, declaring the entirety of the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. The Trump administration effectively supported the suit, doing nothing to support or defend the federal law. As of yet, despite promises, Texas legislators have done nothing to develop a replacement should the Affordable Care Act disappear in Texas.

Supporting efforts to make healthcare less accessible is not creating an economy designed to facilitate Americans’ lives and help them meet their most basic needs.

And don’t forget, Trump cut food stamps to some 700,000 people. Is this policy consistent with cultivating an economy that affirms and supports human life? Not at all.

Trump’s economy is designed to transfer wealth to the top, not serve the needs of the American majority.

As I’ve written about elsewhere for PoliticusUsa, Trump’s tax cuts, for example, did not benefit most Americans. 60 percent of the total savings of the legislation went to the top 20 percent of earners, while the top 1 percent were gifted 17 percent of all the tax cut dollars. And companies that promised to re-invest the windfall they received when Trump slashed the corporate tax rate from 35 to 21 percent still engaged in massive layoffs.

What are we competing for? And with whom?

Why don’t we compete with all the other industrialized nations in terms of seeking to provide universal healthcare to Americans?

Why don’t we compete with Finland in seeking to provide a world-class public education?

Why don’t we compete with Denmark in terms of having a government-led charged to convert to largely green renewable energy sources?

If making America economically competitive means making American lives worse, let me suggest we are competing in the wrong arena for the very wrong prize.

Let’s start with the identifying the prize to be making sure Americans have a high quality of life characterized by access to adequate housing and healthcare, to quality public education, to clean water and air, to nutritious diets, to a healthy and vibrant public sphere and cultural life, and to a foreseeable future on this planet.

And let’s keep our eyes on that prize.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/02/15/opinion-trump-believes-making-america-competitive-depends-on-slashing-americans-wages.html
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More Politicususa garbage Krackhead? Keep your leftist garbage in kanuckistan.

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