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Feb 16, 2020 20:18:24   #
Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA
 
htbrown wrote:
My 12 year old computer is getting flaky and slow. I can't upgrade the RAM in it beyond the 8 MB it already has. It's time for a new one.

I'm trying to spec out what I should get. I know this topic comes up frequently, but I am unable to find much recent using the search function. No doubt this is due to user error. Can someone tell me what search will work?

I'm looking to get a Windoze desktop. For all you Mac users, I know you think Mac is superior, and you may be right. However, for reasons having to do with earning a living, I'm going with Windoze, so any suggestion for a Mac is a non-starter.

My thoughts at this point are:
i7 processor (is an i9 worth it?)
mid-range video card
32 GB ram (with space for more should I need it)
1 TB SSD (I have a 4TB HD I'll transplant form the old computer, which holds all my photos)
nic card, lotsa USB ports

Is there something else I should include that I'm not thinking of?

Again, if someone can point me to a search that will answer the question, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, all.
My 12 year old computer is getting flaky and slow.... (show quote)


Intel. Up AMD 3900x
That's the best direction to take for the foreseeable future

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Feb 16, 2020 22:19:00   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
chrissybabe wrote:
A multi drive housing holds 3, 4 or 5 drives. It is an aluminium housing with trays that the drives mount in. At the inside end of the housing is a backplane that holds 3,4 or 5 SATA connections so that the drives will mate with them. The inside end of the housing usually holds a fan plus the SATA data connections plus a couple of power supply connections. The outside of the housing, the end you see, usually has lights to show you which drives are powered on plus a locking mechanism to prevent the drive accidently coming loose.
SATA connections, although they are often used this way, are NOT designed for frequent plugging in and out. There are some specs somewhere for how many insertions the connections support. However this is not an issue when the drives are only infrequently moved.
Google 'multi sata drive housing internal' and you will see hundreds of example. Not to be confused with housings holding RAID arrays. They just hold 3,4 or 5 single individual SATA drives. They aren't particularly expensive either.

When a drive fails you turn off the PC and pull the drive out, swap it with a good one and plug it back in again (not forgetting then to reformat and relabel the drive) and copy your data back. No having to pull the cabinet out and diving into the guts. Also makes changing the drive size for a bigger one a piece of cake. When upgrading just leave all the drives in position. My chassis is now over 15 years old and I have had 2 motherboard swaps within that time.
For your interest I use the 6 trays as follows -

System or C: drive 250GB SSD
Data drive HDD 2TB containing data + image copies of the OS drive
Swap drive 126GB SSD (because I can but not essential)
Movie drive 4TB
Backup drive 1 2TB
Backup drive 2 4TB

The 2 backup drives are backup copies off my wifes PC.
She has an identical setup.

The backup drives are copied over a 1GB network. An identical PC in another building (drive wise anyway but not processor etc) contains copies of all the backup drives so we have 3 copies of everything. An offsite copy of the drives is also kept.
A multi drive housing holds 3, 4 or 5 drives. It i... (show quote)


Thanks. That's something else I'll have to read up on.

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Feb 16, 2020 22:19:04   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
rck281 wrote:
What kind of bus connects the external housing to the computer?

" The inside end of the housing usually holds a fan plus the SATA data connections plus a couple of power supply connections. "

On the outside of the inner end of the drive housing there will be 3,4 or 5 SATA connections plus, usually two, either a couple of SATA power connectors or 2 of the old style drive power connectors or even both of these.
If you implement a case using the multiple drive housing you MUST make sure that your motherboard has sufficient SATA connectors. I have 6 drives plus 2 optical drives so my motherboard has 8 SATA data connectors. This often means you need to use a better class of motherboard but that is maybe not a bad thing.

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Feb 16, 2020 22:20:21   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
Hamltnblue wrote:
Intel. Up AMD 3900x
That's the best direction to take for the foreseeable future


A little to terse for clarity. Are you saying you prefer Intel to AMD?

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Feb 16, 2020 22:44:58   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
htbrown wrote:
My 12 year old computer is getting flaky and slow. I can't upgrade the RAM in it beyond the 8 MB it already has. It's time for a new one.

I'm trying to spec out what I should get. I know this topic comes up frequently, but I am unable to find much recent using the search function. No doubt this is due to user error. Can someone tell me what search will work?

I'm looking to get a Windoze desktop. For all you Mac users, I know you think Mac is superior, and you may be right. However, for reasons having to do with earning a living, I'm going with Windoze, so any suggestion for a Mac is a non-starter.

My thoughts at this point are:
i7 processor (is an i9 worth it?)
mid-range video card
32 GB ram (with space for more should I need it)
1 TB SSD (I have a 4TB HD I'll transplant form the old computer, which holds all my photos)
nic card, lotsa USB ports

Is there something else I should include that I'm not thinking of?

Again, if someone can point me to a search that will answer the question, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, all.
My 12 year old computer is getting flaky and slow.... (show quote)


https://www.xidax.com. Another builder you may want to check out

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Feb 16, 2020 22:50:21   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
rck281 wrote:
What kind of bus connects the external housing to the computer?


Whoops I mis-read that. If you have an external multi drive housing then you can either use USB or eSATA. Both have several compromises which is the reason I have never bothered with trying these. You may be forced into it if you are going for it as an after thought on an existing case.

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Feb 16, 2020 22:55:01   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
chrissybabe wrote:
" The inside end of the housing usually holds a fan plus the SATA data connections plus a couple of power supply connections. "

On the outside of the inner end of the drive housing there will be 3,4 or 5 SATA connections plus, usually two, either a couple of SATA power connectors or 2 of the old style drive power connectors or even both of these.
If you implement a case using the multiple drive housing you MUST make sure that your motherboard has sufficient SATA connectors. I have 6 drives plus 2 optical drives so my motherboard has 8 SATA data connectors. This often means you need to use a better class of motherboard but that is maybe not a bad thing.
" The inside end of the housing usually holds... (show quote)

Interesting. I thought the external docks were all USB or eSATA. So you just run data cables long enough to go between the internal SATA motherboard connectors and the external drives. This is just like eSATA without the intermediate connector.
The eSATA I have used is nothing but an internal adapter that plugs into a SATA motherboard connector and brings it out to an i/o panel. Standard SATA cable on outside.
Thanks for the info. Always like to learn.

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Feb 16, 2020 23:03:31   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
rck281 wrote:
...So you just run data cables long enough to go between the internal SATA motherboard connectors and the external drives....

The multi drive housing I have been talking about are internal units. External units are a different kettle of fish and I don't like them much and avoid them if at all possible because of the compromises.
The internal units use 2, 3 or 4 x 5.25" drive bays hence requiring a case with at least this many spare drive bays. The drive bays are 1/2 height 5.25".

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Feb 16, 2020 23:57:13   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
I didn't understand. You are referring to the removable drive bays that are in larger full tower cases.

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Feb 17, 2020 00:52:52   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
rck281 wrote:
I didn't understand. You are referring to the removable drive bays that are in larger full tower cases.

Yes.

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Feb 17, 2020 01:10:16   #
Jon P.
 
htbrown wrote:
My 12 year old computer is getting flaky and slow. I can't upgrade the RAM in it beyond the 8 MB it already has. It's time for a new one.

I'm trying to spec out what I should get. I know this topic comes up frequently, but I am unable to find much recent using the search function. No doubt this is due to user error. Can someone tell me what search will work?

I'm looking to get a Windoze desktop. For all you Mac users, I know you think Mac is superior, and you may be right. However, for reasons having to do with earning a living, I'm going with Windoze, so any suggestion for a Mac is a non-starter.

My thoughts at this point are:
i7 processor (is an i9 worth it?)
mid-range video card
32 GB ram (with space for more should I need it)
1 TB SSD (I have a 4TB HD I'll transplant form the old computer, which holds all my photos)
nic card, lotsa USB ports

Is there something else I should include that I'm not thinking of?

Again, if someone can point me to a search that will answer the question, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, all.
My 12 year old computer is getting flaky and slow.... (show quote)


Try Discount Electronics; Great deals and you can upgrade,,,,

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Feb 17, 2020 11:10:56   #
Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA
 
htbrown wrote:
A little to terse for clarity. Are you saying you prefer Intel to AMD?


AMD

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Feb 17, 2020 11:37:47   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
TriX wrote:
Looks good - when you spec the SSD, make sure it is m.2 rather than SATA attached.

m.2 is a form factor and comes in 2 flavors, NVMe and SATA. NVMe is 5 times faster than SATA. NVME is becoming widely available now in decent sizes and should be your primary drive for the operating system and programs.

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Feb 17, 2020 13:23:57   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
hookedupin2005 wrote:
https://www.xidax.com. Another builder you may want to check out


Thanks. I will do that.

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