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Jan 28, 2020 09:43:18   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Hamltnblue wrote:
I'm sure the files are compressed during transmission and storage. Maybe some data is being lost when compressing already compressed files


Not according to Amazon:

Photos are stored to the Amazon Cloud Drive in their full, original version, meaning the images aren't compressed and no quality is lost.

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Jan 28, 2020 09:46:13   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
If the way I stored my images resulted in their deterioration, I would change my storage system.

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Jan 28, 2020 09:46:23   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Hammer wrote:
My understanding , for what it’s worth is that every time you save a JPEG the compression effects the photo.

I have assumed that you are saving JPEGs. This compression process will even cause artefacts to appear.



No, simply copying the JPEG file doesn't affect the compression. It's when you open AND EDIT and then save the file that the file gets compressed yet again. Simply copying the file doesn't affect it any more than copying a Word document or any other file.

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Jan 28, 2020 09:46:37   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I was under the impression that large files were reduced in size - and resolution.


No, it’s unlimited full resolution storage with amazon including raw files but they do limit the size for display.

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Jan 28, 2020 10:18:48   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Wanderer2 wrote:
The possibility, as described above, that the sharpness of the image in storage in the cloud may be decreased but when downloaded will be the same as the original file before being uploaded, has been mentioned by two other posters also. I had been looking at the files stored in the the cloud, Amazon Photos, and seeing the difference in sharpness there. Before posting this query I had not thought of looking at the files after downloading from the cloud, as suggested.

I've now done that, downloading the test file that I uploaded earlier today as described in my original post, and the sharpness of that file is the same as the original file before being uploaded to Amazon Photos, as one poster stated was his direct experience with Amazon Photos. The dimensions and MBs appear to be the same in the original file, the file stored in the cloud, and the file downloaded from the cloud. So apparently the degredation in sharpness seen in the images on Amazon Photos is due in some way to how they are treating the uploaded files, even though they don't seem to be compressed. Thus, I have been concerned needlessly since what matters is the sharpness of a file after I have downloaded it from the cloud, not how sharp it is in cloud storage.

Thanks to all for your help. If anyone has any further thoughts as to what Amazon Photos is doing to the uploaded files it would be interesting to know. At least now I don't have to be concerned about changing internet providers!
The possibility, as described above, that the shar... (show quote)


I don't know how you were looking when you found the poorer photo. I suspect you were viewing a thumbnail.

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Jan 28, 2020 11:13:49   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
Wanderer, I have a suggestion to determine if the photos are being changed or modified by the Cloud process:

(1) First make an exact duplicate of a photo, recording it's file size, etc.
(2) Upload ONE of the two to the Cloud.
(3) Download same later and compare all its 'stats' against the one you held.
If you see any info difference, you'll know if they've been modified by the upload/download process.

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Jan 28, 2020 11:16:19   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
Wanderer2 wrote:
Recently I began trying Amazon Photos cloud storage since it is free to Amazon Prime members, which I am, with unlimited storage. However the images from files stored there consistently show substantially diminished sharpness. Other image features are not negatively effected. My initial thought was that this might be due to my internet connection, which is by satellite as I live in a very rural, mountainous area in Colorado and satellite is my only option.

I called Amazon Photos customer service and they felt the satellite internet connection might be responsible but the representative had never heard of this before and was not certain. I next called my satellite internet provider, Viasat, and they did not think their service was responsible but they did suggest I change my browser from Chrome to their own browser, which they said would work faster and might solve the problem (the uploading of files to Amazon Photos is agonizingly slow with my system). I am trying the Viasat browser but it has not made any difference in the sharpness degredation in Amazon Photos, and very little if any difference in the uploading speed.

If anyone has also experienced this with any cloud storage provider and/or has any suggestions, I would be very grateful. It would seem the next step would be to try a different satellite internet provider but I am still under part of a two year contract with Viasat and a penalty would presumably result if I cancel. TIA for any suggestions.
Recently I began trying Amazon Photos cloud storag... (show quote)


I just have to ask since I do not use the cloud WHY use It With hard drive and solid state drives so cheap ... a 4 terabyte hard drive by seagate is around $89.00 to $120.00 @ walmart . You can get a Samsung 860 SSD 1 terabyte at Office depot for $130.00 and install it in your Apple Mac computer ....Storage hasn't been cheaper . If you have a PC get a SSD in a portable case for not much more , I'm sorry but I will never use the cloud . I do not trust it , for apparently your reason and I keep hearing about other cloud options and a year or 2 later tell you SORRY we are shutting down YOU need to remove your stuff in the next 3 months ... no thank you !!!!

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Jan 28, 2020 11:19:36   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Has the size or resolution of the photos changed? I can't see any way that just uploading files would corrupt them in such a way that they would just become less sharp.


To quote MSNBC, and CNN if this is true this is a Bombshell!

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Jan 28, 2020 11:29:20   #
sandykreit
 
Wanderer2 wrote:
Recently I began trying Amazon Photos cloud storage since it is free to Amazon Prime members, which I am, with unlimited storage. However the images from files stored there consistently show substantially diminished sharpness. Other image features are not negatively effected. My initial thought was that this might be due to my internet connection, which is by satellite as I live in a very rural, mountainous area in Colorado and satellite is my only option.

I called Amazon Photos customer service and they felt the satellite internet connection might be responsible but the representative had never heard of this before and was not certain. I next called my satellite internet provider, Viasat, and they did not think their service was responsible but they did suggest I change my browser from Chrome to their own browser, which they said would work faster and might solve the problem (the uploading of files to Amazon Photos is agonizingly slow with my system). I am trying the Viasat browser but it has not made any difference in the sharpness degredation in Amazon Photos, and very little if any difference in the uploading speed.

If anyone has also experienced this with any cloud storage provider and/or has any suggestions, I would be very grateful. It would seem the next step would be to try a different satellite internet provider but I am still under part of a two year contract with Viasat and a penalty would presumably result if I cancel. TIA for any suggestions.
Recently I began trying Amazon Photos cloud storag... (show quote)


I use a cloud storage company called BackBlaze. It's not free, I think I pay $50 a year. I've not experienced any of your problems. My philosophy is you get what you pay for. Look into this, I also back up on 3 exernal hard drives. I know it's overkill, but that's how it worked out.

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Jan 28, 2020 11:32:39   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
DavidM wrote:
I have also used amazon photos for file sharing and have noticed the shared images are not as sharp when viewing them from the link provided by amazon but if you download the images then they are as sharp when viewed on my laptop. It's similar to downloading images from this site (UHH) ... images are sharper after downloading them.


For back up, the cloud is just another drive, and stores files. Files are files, no changes.

Sharing is another story., And are probably changed to show better on as monitor, unless shared by a link.

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Jan 28, 2020 11:35:54   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Your internet connection is the issue, the low speed is introducing transmission errors. Load the Speedtest app onto your Smartphone and see if the Upload/Download speeds are what you are paying for. In this instance, the upload speed is the governing factor.

I would suggest a local RAID solution for file storage until faster bandwidth is available. Any otehr Satelite provider will have the same issues.


I agree with you on this , when my my large commercial printer was installed I was told by Canon techs they wanted me to use a high grade cat 6 cable and route through the router to the printer from the CPU instead of USB cables especially if the printer cable was 25 feet and was amplified as in my case as transmission errors like color variations especially if running near power cables ..

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Jan 28, 2020 11:36:31   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
nikonbrain wrote:
I just have to ask since I do not use the cloud WHY use It With hard drive and solid state drives so cheap ... a 4 terabyte hard drive by seagate is around $89.00 to $120.00 @ walmart . You can get a Samsung 860 SSD 1 terabyte at Office depot for $130.00 and install it in your Apple Mac computer ....Storage hasn't been cheaper . If you have a PC get a SSD in a portable case for not much more , I'm sorry but I will never use the cloud . I do not trust it , for apparently your reason and I keep hearing about other cloud options and a year or 2 later tell you SORRY we are shutting down YOU need to remove your stuff in the next 3 months ... no thank you !!!!
I just have to ask since I do not use the cloud WH... (show quote)


Sorry, but though I understand your distrust (you are not alone), they are based on misinformation.

1) no major cloud provider has ever gone Belly up. If Amazon, Microsoft, ZHoogle, Apple and IBM go belly up, you will have lots bigger problems to worry about. Only one minor player (Nirvanix) has gone under, and when they did customers were given plenty of advance notice to move their data.

2) the reason people use the cloud for disaster recovery is (a) it is orders of magnitude more reliable that any single drive, and (b) they keep multiple copies of your data at different geographic locations to prevent data loss during any physical disaster. You cannot possibly approach this level of reliability at home.

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Jan 28, 2020 11:41:16   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
TriX wrote:
Sorry, but though I understand your distrust (you are not alone), they are based on misinformation.

1) no major cloud provider has ever gone Belly up. If Amazon, Microsoft, ZHoogle, Apple and IBM go belly up, you will have lots bigger problems to worry about. Only one minor player (Nirvanix) has gone under, and when they did customers were given plenty of advance notice to move their data.

2) the reason people use the cloud for disaster recovery is (a) it is orders of magnitude more reliable that any single drive, and (b) they keep multiple copies of your data at different geographic locations to prevent data loss during any physical disaster. You cannot possibly approach this level of reliability at home.
Sorry, but though I understand your distrust (you ... (show quote)



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Jan 28, 2020 12:52:26   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
nikonbrain wrote:
I just have to ask since I do not use the cloud WHY use It With hard drive and solid state drives so cheap ... a 4 terabyte hard drive by seagate is around $89.00 to $120.00 @ walmart . You can get a Samsung 860 SSD 1 terabyte at Office depot for $130.00 and install it in your Apple Mac computer ....Storage hasn't been cheaper . If you have a PC get a SSD in a portable case for not much more , I'm sorry but I will never use the cloud . I do not trust it , for apparently your reason and I keep hearing about other cloud options and a year or 2 later tell you SORRY we are shutting down YOU need to remove your stuff in the next 3 months ... no thank you !!!!
I just have to ask since I do not use the cloud WH... (show quote)


For me it is just another location to store photos. You never mention any where that you are storing your images in different locations. A good back up strategy is to also use different locations. That way if there is damage at one location you haven’t lost everything. External hard drives can also be lost stolen or misplaced. I have one hard drive dedicated to only photos. Another backs that one up. My second back up is to the cloud on Backblaze for $50 a year. Backblaze is encrypted and they continuously back up their drives. So it is pretty secure. The other reason I use the cloud is it gives me access to my files anywhere in the world that I can get an internet connection. Too each their own certainly but it wasn’t all that long ago the only storage for photos and negatives was filing cabinets. People said “I would never store photos on a computer” “what if your hard drive crashes or someone puts a magnet on your computer?” Well technology has advanced. Now everyone stores their images on computer hard drives. Cloud storage is just the next step in technology.

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Jan 28, 2020 13:33:23   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Fotoartist wrote:
To quote MSNBC, and CNN if this is true this is a Bombshell!


Stop trying to interject politics into discussions. You have been here long enough to know better. There are plenty of places to talk about politics on the Internet. Trying to come up with sneaky and cowardly little ways to work political jibes into photography threads and topics shows an utter contempt for the membership here and for the community guidelines. Your repeated and intentional attempts to sabotage the forum would be grounds for banning were it up to me.

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