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Jan 25, 2020 18:08:24   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rbhallock wrote:
Whatever you teach about images, be sure to illustrate what your specific point is with examples. So, show a good example that works and one that does not work. This lets your students really see what you are talking about. This works for lighting conditions, and everything else.

One topic that will need to mention with examples is depth of field - why use a large aperture for portraits to throw the distracting background out of focus, etc. There are lots of topics and you seem to have many books that should have common ground on the main topics.

Sounds like fun. But unless you fill it with visual examples, you will bore folks.

Bob
Whatever you teach about images, be sure to illust... (show quote)


The first thing I did was show about a dozen images of different subjects/types and printed in 13 x 19 on different types of paper to show how the paper surface changed the images. The one on Red River metallic (macro of puff ball seed heads in the yard) really got some uhs and ahs as they saw how changing the viewing angle made it seem to be 3D with a hint of motion.
Your other ideas will be added to the lists I will make from this thread.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:09:57   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
IDguy wrote:
That is along the lines of what I was thinking: “What content do seniors need that youngsters might not?”

For example most seniors are less adept at digital things than youngsters. Most are less agile to make compositions e.g. from ground level. Most are leery of post processing. etc. Many less able to carry a lot of weight. Many have hand shake.


all good points, I had planned on a table top set up for still life or macro toward the end of the lessons.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:15:12   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rbhallock wrote:
If you like your books, I suggest that you not lend them out. Find one that is quite good, but also not very expensive and when you next teach the course require the book. Or, find a good web site (there are many), or several sites and suggest that the seniors access them for specific information that you point to. A downside is some may not be internet connected in a easy way. So, a good inexpensive book would be better. Seniors can then read and reread material as need be. Some may need that repetition to get the points that you illustrate.
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I have thought of making copies of the instructional DVDs as I have a CD/DVD/BlueRay burner in my desktop.

I recommended the Northrup's "Stunning Digital Photography" book in e-book form with links to over 20 hours of tutorials on line or in SD card - I have the SD card and can make copies, I think.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:17:52   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Rsardisco wrote:
I don’t see anywhere that you actually inquire what they want to learn. If they are not already familiar with the basics and enthused about expanding their technical knowledge, you will overwhelm them. To some people, learning photography is “how do I turn this thing on and which part faces forward”.


They are all at the "how do I turn it on and use it stage". But I will make a "survey sheet" for next meeting to learn just what they want to do. If all everyone wants to do is family photos and travel photos I can concentrate on that and the "how to..." for their gear and just do quick demos of other things for them to think about.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:18:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
RWebb76 wrote:
Get them used to displaying their work publicly, say in class, and then have the class (and you and perhaps a visiting pro) critique the photos. It will help immensely.


That is part of the plan.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:21:54   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
IDguy wrote:
The Great Courses are indeed great. Although they use Nat Geo photographers I do not believe there is a connection.


Well they are authorized to put Nat Geo emblems etc on the packaging and once long ago I saw a blurb telling about the courses on a Nat Geo site.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:24:56   #
Patrick Walls
 
I learned a few good techniques in workshops from Freeman Patterson (renowned Canadian photographer)over the years. You might want to try (if you haven't already planned these):

(1) Amateur photographers are always "over-anxious" to share their work. Make sure you do not wait too long to allow a show-and-tell experience

(2) To ingrain a sense of "creativity," have everyone in the class take pictures of one item (in a room or outside) and bring their pictures back to the next class. You could have them email shots to you before the class, so you could better control the presentation (time) of their work. It is always surprising to "see" what others "saw" while looking at the same object

(3) Present a number of your photographs of the same scene/object from a variety of perspectives to demonstrate how the photographic artist differs from the painter/drawer artist. IE: The painter/drawer "adds" detail to the canvas, while the photographer/artist "takes detail away" from his/her canvas

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Jan 25, 2020 18:25:34   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
BBurns wrote:
If you Google Free Online Photography Courses you will find a plethora of things that you can pick & choose from that may help your research.


Yes, on line sites will be introduced and mentioned but after I get them going a bit.
And believe me I have been doing on line research since the early 90's while teaching. The school I was at was a federal grant "Digital High School" and we had computers in every classroom and fiber optics on campus with a commercial grade access server to the net.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:37:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Selene03 wrote:
As both a teacher and someone who has taken photography classes recently, I would recommend actually getting them to take pictures--hands on activity--as you are teaching concepts and things like how to use the camera. Maybe do short walking tours with them on the days you can't meet in classsrooms. You could even demonstrate simple post processing using their photographs. Students of all ages have very short attention spans. I would say this about myself too. I took one class that was so bad, I basically walked out on it a couple of times (which being a teacher myself, I would normally never do). What drove me nuts was the lack of organization and poor presentation of things with no hands on experience.

In general, my sense is that people learn things best when they are actually doing them. It's easier to understand the significance of lighting when you are confronting it directly. And yes, some older people have limitations that need to be considered.

Congratulations to you for taking this on. It is wonderful for people to develop hobbies when they have the time to pursue them, so you are performing a very useful service. Your ideas for topics to investigate are solid, but again, I would encourage you to actually get them taking photos or those cameras will probably remain in the boxes. All the best to you!!!
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Already told to use the composition tip handouts and start taking pictures, even the ones who only have cell phones. I told them after a while they will know better what kind of photography they want to do and therefore what kind of camera and lenses they will need.

I did 1 year student teaching and 34 years at the Jr & Sr High level in LA. And not just the 9 months a year I taught summer school, extra classes and when at a multi track year round school I sometimes taught inter session (like summer school but not necessarily in the summer and usually happened twice a year) or even two intersession classes a year. At 9 months a year service credit 34 years = 25.5 years service credit. I had 32.25 when I retired so I made the state pension "longevity bonus" (that bought me a BIG Plasma TV for the living room-$5K in 2007 when I retired) and an extra $500 a month on my pension.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:46:07   #
Jameslcwik
 
Well said. I totally agree with the senior/over 55, etc, categorization. Why are we any different? Books, classes, and all that crap that address us that way annoy the hell out of me.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:46:25   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
good stuff for me to think about
Short with demo and practice is a good way to go. The practice and just sit and talk - critique - BS or whatever you want to call it and then try things again always work.
Fortunately adults, even older adults have a better attention span than 6-8 (I spent 15 years at a 7-9 Jr High).
The year I taught basic photography was the 74-75 school year and the students were 10-12th grade. Not much in the way of tutorials like today but when I could borrow them from the district, LA Library or the old Kodak Photography Education section they loved films/slide shows about Adams or other great photographers and stuff from Nat Geo.
The local camera store sponsored the Kodak road show at a local university and the students all got to go for free. An 18 wheeler full of gear and a crew of almost 20. it was either 9 or 12 screens (I forget which) in two tiers and a projector for each plus a few extra projectors and a large studio mixer board. One operator at each projector and two Hollywood studio class people operating the mixer board. Add in a studio class sound board and a bunch of speakers and the result blew the kids away (and me). I seem to remember it was somewhere between 1 and 2 hours total running time.
I need to do research and see if anyone filmed one of those presentations - I hope they did, and have it in digital.

As to composition - yes native talent can be a big factor. Some are great right after learning "look here, point this part, push this button", other learn it one bit at a time and I have seen some who bought $10K worth of gear and never get beyond snapshots.
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Bear with the ramble below... I promise it has a point.

Interesting you talk about teaching Jr. High students. I'm almost entirely self-taught. I began getting really serious about photography in 1968, in 8th grade. I made most of the candids and sports photos for our yearbooks until I graduated high school 4-1/2 years later. I subscribed to three photo magazines, and read the entire Time-Life Library of Photography as the books came out in the early 1970s.

In the mid-1970s, those slide shows you mentioned would have been controlled by early computerized multi-image projection systems. AVL, ClearLight, Arion, Spindler & Sauppe, and some others were cranking out digital dissolve controllers and programming computers as fast as they could engineer them. You could use them "live" by pre-programming sequences of slide changes, and then triggering them with a key on the controller. Or, you could program them to tape (paper tape early on, then magnetic tape) and synchronize them to narration, music, and sound effects.

Kodak did a bang-up job on their presentations. So did Dean Collins, a photographer, trainer, and photo educator. He had nine Hasselblad projectors and used medium format slides. Nikon School had a traveling road show as well. The Association for Multi-Image grew rapidly. There were 800+ attendees in Orlando in 1983, when I saw 123 multi-image programs in five days (anywhere from two to 30 projectors, plus 16mm film and video!). The guy with a two-projector show in black-and-white (Jim Richardson) won the top award that year for Reflections from a Wide Spot in the Road. It probably brought all 800 of us to tears a couple of times.

I got into the yearbook and school portrait business in 1979, as an AV producer. I joined AMI, and produced and programmed multi-image shows for our creative services group for 8 years. It was the most fun job I ever had. But I don't miss cleaning six surfaces for each glass mounted slide (two pieces of glass and a piece of film). And I don't miss schlepping a truck load of 12 projectors, four speakers, two amps, and three large screens to a sales meeting, only to spend a day setting it all up for three 30 minute shows!

These days, everything is digital. We can do — with a digital camera, some mics, a Mac, and software — what used to take millions of dollars worth of high end film and video gear to do in 1980.

My advice to you is this: Cover a little bit of everything, with an emphasis on access to information and resources. Be sure to touch on ICC Color Management (monitor calibration and profiling, printer profiling, matching papers and profiles to printers...).

The subject of photography is broad and deep. There is no one right way to teach it, learn it, or do it.

If I have one mantra for students, it is to concentrate on the "message" you are "sending" to a viewer. The medium should be transparent to the message. BELIEVE that Marshall McLuhan was wrong. The medium isn't the message. The message is the message! That was the lesson I took from Jim Richardson's slide show winning top honors over million dollar productions.

When a photo is so appealing a viewer just falls into it, you know you have a winner. We used to say, "When they cry, they buy," about customers viewing proof shows of senior portraits.

Photos can teach, inform, record history, remind, move people emotionally, even change lives and the *course* of history. Having a point and a point of view counts. Technology is neat, but what we do with it to produce compelling images is where the action is. Knowing that at an early age was enough to inspire me to work on my "technical chops".

Sometimes, monkeys see and then do. So encourage students to view a gazillion good photos. Look through photo books, go to exhibits, watch YouTube videos on photography, and do whatever is possible to feed your head good images.

Classrooms are nice places to learn, but immersion is required to put that structured knowledge to good use. As the late Frank Zappa said, "If you want to learn about sex, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library and educate yourself." (I said, "Where's the college library?")

Dive into your craft head first and learn to swim. Surface, go to class, then dive in again.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:48:47   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rangel28 wrote:
While it is now against the rules to say anything negative about any one group, it seems "senior citizens" are still fair game in our society. I am 58 and feel the same way now than I did when I was 20. And when I played in a co-ed softball team a few years ago, I was one of the fastest runners (played center field) on a team of folks mostly in their 30s and 40. Age is only a number.


Everyone ages differently. Often dependent on the life they lived (and good or bad genes).
My Great Grandfather was a farmer and after he retired to town to live with my Great Aunt and Uncle kept a 2 acre garden with hand tools. At 89 the doctor told him he was developing a heart condition and to take it easy. (only the third time in his life he went to a Dr - 16, broken arm - 65, check up for SS - 89 "felt tired too much") Well he kept up the garden but hired a high school kid to use a mule to plow the garden instead of his one wheel hand pushed plow. He died in his sleep of a heart attack a few weeks short of 92. He was born in 1865 and died in 1957 when I was 12.
On the other hand I have seen people broken and ready for 24 hour care by 60.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:51:12   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
ugly Dan wrote:
Great teacher taught that every student should buy a really good photography book on "whatever" they are most interested in. They are all pretty much the same. So some would buy a book for photographing dogs if is that is their hobby. Others may buy a good book on photographing landscapes or portraits. Don't think you have to supply everything. That way they not only have a basic photography book but something that they can use in their hobby.
Also, critique their pix but most of all teach them how to critique and let them explain in class how they would improve pictures.
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The books I have already mentioned.
The critique etc comes after they get past the "how to turn it on" and "how to take and get the pictures out of it" stage.

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Jan 25, 2020 18:52:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Patrick Walls wrote:
I learned a few good techniques in workshops from Freeman Patterson (renowned Canadian photographer)over the years. You might want to try (if you haven't already planned these):

(1) Amateur photographers are always "over-anxious" to share their work. Make sure you do not wait too long to allow a show-and-tell experience

(2) To ingrain a sense of "creativity," have everyone in the class take pictures of one item (in a room or outside) and bring their pictures back to the next class. You could have them email shots to you before the class, so you could better control the presentation (time) of their work. It is always surprising to "see" what others "saw" while looking at the same object

(3) Present a number of your photographs of the same scene/object from a variety of perspectives to demonstrate how the photographic artist differs from the painter/drawer artist. IE: The painter/drawer "adds" detail to the canvas, while the photographer/artist "takes detail away" from his/her canvas
I learned a few good techniques in workshops from ... (show quote)


All noted for my lists and lessons.

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Jan 25, 2020 20:03:41   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
robertjerl wrote:
Everyone ages differently. Often dependent on the life they lived (and good or bad genes).
My Great Grandfather was a farmer and after he retired to town to live with my Great Aunt and Uncle kept a 2 acre garden with hand tools. At 89 the doctor told him he was developing a heart condition and to take it easy. (only the third time in his life he went to a Dr - 16, broken arm - 65, check up for SS - 89 "felt tired too much") Well he kept up the garden but hired a high school kid to use a mule to plow the garden instead of his one wheel hand pushed plow. He died in his sleep of a heart attack a few weeks short of 92. He was born in 1865 and died in 1957 when I was 12.
On the other hand I have seen people broken and ready for 24 hour care by 60.
Everyone ages differently. Often dependent on the... (show quote)


I met a friend of my wife today who is 91. She was neat as a pin, drove herself to our meeting, and runs a number of things such as religious groups and a local festival. Most people seeing her would think she is 60ish.

She was fully up on the news of the day local and National (the latter with disgust: this is Idaho 🤪).

And then there are those you see at Walmart...

Something sent to me last week on my 73rd: https://youtu.be/yc5AWImplfE

I shared it with my skiing buddy.

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