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Dec 9, 2019 13:42:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
No artist ever sees things only as the camera would. If he did, he would cease to be an artist.

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Dec 9, 2019 13:46:14   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Nah, it's just idle chit chat. Some folks simply enjoy making pronouncements and arguing their position. I can't imagine anyone in threads like this think they are actually influencing anyone else's choices


I don't try a influencing anybody I was just voicing my opinion.

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Dec 9, 2019 13:49:17   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
To each their own.
I agree that most posts are way over cooked to almost look comical.
But the poster likes it and that is who they are trying to please.
So just enjoy the different points of view and do as you please and post as well.



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Dec 9, 2019 14:39:30   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
papaluv4gd wrote:
With so much pp going on, it's very hard to know what is real anymore.


Unless one is making field guide photos or duplicating art work, what difference does it make whether it's "real" or not? Are b/w images "real"? I think many, if not most of us, are trying to make images that are better than "real".

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Dec 9, 2019 15:13:25   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jackm1943 wrote:
Unless one is making field guide photos or duplicating art work, what difference does it make whether it's "real" or not? Are b/w images "real"? I think many, if not most of us, are trying to make images that are better than "real".


Better to you could be garbage to others.
That is why we do what we like and others can form their opinions if it is really better than real or just another gaudy over cooked me too photo.
So do as you please and the OP does as they please and we all have fun with the hobby or profession for some here.

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Dec 9, 2019 15:20:54   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Graham Smith wrote:
The look of your smilies... or lack of smile leads me to think that you may have misunderstood my use of Messianic. Merriam Webster : marked by idealism and an aggressive crusading spirit messianic zeal on a messianic mission.


Sorry Graham - I meant to hit these: 😀😀😀
I like and agree with your post!

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Dec 9, 2019 15:24:44   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
yssirk123 wrote:
Sorry Graham - I meant to hit these: 😀😀😀
I like and agree with your post!


OOPs... sorry I meant these

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Dec 9, 2019 15:32:56   #
Indiana Loc: Huntington, Indiana
 
papaluv4gd wrote:
when I view some of the posts that are put up on the hog, many of them are very nice,some are outstanding, and some are just too over prossessed.

Now this is just my humble opinion.

Some of the posts are just too evenly lit,every shadow detail is available, trees and mountains are all just picture post card perfect. Now I have been around enough to know that scenic opportunities are rarely ,if ever perfectly illuminated. So...my thought is, am I the only one who is satisfied with capturing a given scene SOOC ?

I often shoot my scenics with both eyes open with the thought of capturing in camera exactly what is before me, or as close as I can get it given the broad spectrum of light falling on a given vista.

I'm afraid that there is so much PP of everything ,that what we all are exposed to now are all just personal renditions of what is or was actually there. Some post are so perfectly PP'd, that they take on the apperance of a lithograph rather than a photograph.

Example: taking a picture of the sun will always render the rest of the scene whofully under exposed, yet I see shots with the sun as evenly lit as the surrounding landscape. Yes, there are times when it is possible to shoot a sun scene and have some forground or backround lit. But not evenly. I have tried. something has to give.

I feel like a lone wolf trying to capture what I see as it is, while many are manipulating their shots to render them more perfect or "pleasing" to the eye.

With so much pp going on, it's very hard to know what is real anymore.

Just my observations and ramblings.
when I view some of the posts that are put up on t... (show quote)


I agree. PP was intended to enhance but is often overdone, deliberately or unintentionally. So, PP can attempt to represent what you actually saw, enhance what you saw (kind of like creative non-fiction in literature,) or completely distort the image in an attempt to create a new artistic interpretation. So, I guess it is up to the individual and how he/she wishes to interpret the end product. Some of my best photo's were the result of a great subject, perfect timing, perfect location, good technical skills, good equipment, and minimal pp. Just my thoughts.

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Dec 9, 2019 15:55:57   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Graham Smith wrote:
SOOC, all manual, film is the true path. I call it the Messianic school of photography.

I hope you were just trying to be humorous.

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Dec 9, 2019 15:59:36   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Messianic indeed! What an ego. There is no true path. And I call it the school of somebody that just does not understand the value of post-processing and how to use it effectively. Be content shooting SOOC if it pleases you, but don't assume an air of superiority because you happen to prefer it. I'm willing to bet most of you are images could use a little appropriate post processing to get the best from them.
You mis-understood Graham's comment.

Take a look at his posting history to see that he is a master of b&w, especially his use of dodging and burning in pp to achieve his goals.

EDIT - ah, I see you had second thoughts

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Dec 9, 2019 16:00:18   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You mis-understood Graham's comment. Take a look at his posting history to see that he is a master of b&w, including using dodging and burning in pp to achieve his goals.


Yes, I realized that. I actually changed the post of mine you were quoting.

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Dec 9, 2019 16:01:11   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Yes, I realized that. I actually changed the post of mine you were quoting.
No worries, I expect he will enjoy. I often find British humour to be unintelligible 😊

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Dec 9, 2019 16:49:29   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
Rongnongno wrote:
What ever other do or do not do, right or wrong is none of your concern.

Your opinion is yours and yours alone. Sorry but there have been countless discussion as to what SOOC means. You are happy with it? So be it.

Just do not criticize what you do not appreciate for whatever reason. If you do, you will always be wrong.


How rude!

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Dec 9, 2019 17:00:13   #
rockdog Loc: Berkeley, Ca.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
A perfect topic for chit-chat with the fellas down at the local mercantile, where the woodstove is a-blazin' while a nor'easter howls outside. Ayuh. Now pass the spittoon, and let's move on to world peace 🙄



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Dec 9, 2019 17:03:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Opportunities don't just happen. You photoshop them.

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