Did I have a flash? (Page 2): While I resist the "Millennials" and "Yuppies" labels as unsupportable generalizations, I am uncertain that Scruples did anything that warrants the kind...

d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA

While I resist the "Millennials" and "Yuppies" labels as unsupportable generalizations, I am uncertain that Scruples did anything that warrants the kind of criticism that others do. I am not arguing anything, one way or another. But I do not see the source of the criticism by UHH posters here. The other diners' complaint was about his strobe - and he was apparently not using one. How is he to be criticized for his own attitude? What else is there to argue?

Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south

Mirrorless cameras are what I use for such situations. A pancake lens and all in black, camera set to electronic shutter. It’s invisible.

Collhar Loc: New York City.

d2b2 wrote:

While I resist the "Millennials" and "Yuppies" labels as unsupportable generalizations, I am uncertain that Scruples did anything that warrants the kind of criticism that others do. I am not arguing anything, one way or another. But I do not see the source of the criticism by UHH posters here. The other diners' complaint was about his strobe - and he was apparently not using one. How is he to be criticized for his own attitude? What else is there to argue?

Ok, the other dinners just decided to cause problems. They had nothing better to do.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

CO wrote:

My Nikon D7000 and D750 have a white AF assist illuminator. My D500 has a red illuminator. Check to see if your camera has one.

I understand your concerns. I'm using a Canon 5D Mark IV. I don't believe it has a focus illuminator. But I just started using digital a short time ago. If I am in error, please correct me.

Thanks, Scruples

Happy Shooting

TomC. Loc: Bel Air, MD

Scruples wrote:

A peculiar thing happened last night. I attended m... (show quote)

I've never seen the words "nice" and "vegan" used together like that. I just don't see me ever going there. LOL

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

traderjohn wrote:

Perhaps you would share some of these pictures? I don't think it's a cell phone vs DSLR. Maybe they had legitimate complaints. Just "millennials" complained? I think not caring about your surroundings is also being "self absorbed".

This was a nice Vegan restaurant picked out by my Vegan sister-in-law. I didn't mind going because she is a dear family member. The food was very nice, delicious and in good portions. The neighborhood is Williamsburg Brooklyn. It has been recently gentrified. Most people here are young, educated, middle class. Hence my generalization of "Millenials" and "YUPPIES." The restaurant was not elitist or exclusive. So I'm inclined to believe that it will be somewhat "noisy." The management did mind the party and were quite content that all eight of us enjoyed our meal. (We left a 35% tip on the table).

I am inclined to believe that my "big camera" may have been the cause for concern. Because of this fact, the other diners did not pay attention to others in our party who were using the camera on their cell phones. Sadly, the other diners may have thought this restaurant to be high class and exclusive. It wasn't but was a nice place to go nonetheless.

To presume the restaurant will be quiet and reserved, I believe the restaurant would list itself requiring diners to wear business attire. It did not.

I hope you understand my dismay.

Happy Shooting!

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

BebuLamar wrote:

I don't know about the OP camera but my camera doesn't have the AF illuminator. Now that I am thinking about it I think if a camera doesn't have the built in flash it doesn't have the AF Illuminator either.

Good point. Even TTL Flashes use a focus illuminator.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

traderjohn wrote:

Perhaps you would share some of these pictures? I don't think it's a cell phone vs DSLR. Maybe they had legitimate complaints. Just "millennials" complained? I think not caring about your surroundings is also being "self absorbed".

The couple next to us, seemed to be Millennials.

traderjohn Loc: New York City

Scruples wrote:

This was a nice Vegan restaurant picked out by my ... (show quote)

What??? 35% tip. Now I'm putting on the hip waders. Really, a "big camera" would cause concern in Williamsburg. We have been going to Peter Lugers for decades. I know that area, I doubt the size of the camera would be a matter for concern.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Collhar wrote:

Perhaps you are a little paranoid about the camera... (show quote)

To me, Millennials and Yuppies are interchangeable for the context of this thread. I understand your suggestion that I behaved badly and portrayed myself as arogant and rude. As for ignorant snapchat child, I mean the teenagers who use their phone camera to photograph everything from the food they ordered to bodily functions and then post it don social media.

But since I behaved in a poor and boorish manner, please enlighten as to how.

Happy Shooting!

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

rook2c4 wrote:

The bigger the camera, the more nervous people get. That has been my experience.

I'm in agreement.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

TomC. wrote:

I've never seen the words "nice" and "vegan" used together like that. I just don't see me ever going there. LOL

Most Vegan restaurants to provide a bare bones experience. That is clearly contrived. The food was tasty, delicious and plentiful.

BebuLamar

Scruples wrote:

To me, Millennials and Yuppies are interchangeable for the context of this thread. I understand your suggestion that I behaved badly and portrayed myself as arogant and rude. As for ignorant snapchat child, I mean the teenagers who use their phone camera to photograph everything from the food they ordered to bodily functions and then post it don social media.

But since I behaved in a poor and boorish manner, please enlighten as to how.

Happy Shooting!

I thought the Yuppies are in their 50's and 60's now.

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

Scruples wrote:

You might be correct in some regard. But I will post some photos for proof. The restaurant was particularly frequented by YUPPIES. I can only equate this bad experience with having a large DSLR. I think I'm proficient enough not to need a flash

So why were you in a vegan restaurant if you have such disdain for the clientele? And your DSLR superiority complex is also showing. Those smartphone folks were perfectly happy with their photos, as much as you are with yours.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

I am using a Canon 5D Mark IV. As far as I'm aware, there is no focus illumination. If I am wrong please forgive me and correct my mistake promptly. More often than not, cell phones have automatic flash on board. People will use it indiscriminately.
I never really liked using a flash. More often, you get "the winkies, blinkies and nods. ". People will squint in fear of the flash too. Even in a dark venue, flashes can throw off the composition of a photo.
Even using the dreaded green automatic setting can render a photograph much better than with a flash.
It seems these kids (YUPPIES) only think about Themselves. During the party I was conscientious to remain seated at the end of the table. Keep my flash in my bag and clandestinely took photos.