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Nov 18, 2019 15:36:47   #
Stephan G
 
Sharon B wrote:
Amazing images - thank you for sharing and for the context. The costumes are gorgeous but if I had to pick a favorite out of your set, it'd have to be the silhouette on red. Just stunning!

Here in the states, there's a touring show called Shen Yun. I've wanted to see it for a long time, but timing and finances haven't yet worked out. Some of the costumes and scenes that you shared remind me of what I've seen advertised for that show. I'm not familiar enough with it to know if they're also drawing on the Ti Chi influences - I'll be sure to look for that now.
Amazing images - thank you for sharing and for the... (show quote)


Shen Yun draws from Falun Dafa (Falun Gong). The base philisophies draw from differing roots. There are some crossover, but are distinct from each other. Worthwhile to see both. And both are great for photographic inspiration.

Just to say, China has been built over many distinct cultures.

Another Art form is the Chinese Opera. However, this may not be liked by some Western ears.

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Nov 18, 2019 19:04:47   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
Stephan G wrote:
Thank you for sharing these "visions" with us. This is one of the great services of a photographer.

Tai Chi, like so many other philosophic generations around the world, is a means for connection with the "Universe". What we see now are choreographs. Ballet based on traditions, so to speak. The one common thread that is ignored is that in each, the person is the "seed" of such visions. Art is the medium in which the "seed"-vision can be described. But, sadly, too many want to "straight-jacket" the expression into strongly regulated versions. My personal want, in the USA, is to have, no, to allow all children to develop their creative appreciation of Art into their adulthood.

Again, thank you for sharing.
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Stephan,

As a former high school teacher in America, I fully agree. Art is important in so many ways. It helps you develop a sense of self, teaches you creative thinking and allows intimate reflection about the world around you. It is vitally important to the growth and development of children into viable adults. The sad truth though is that most Americans don't share this view and art is considered a waste of time and not as important as STEM (Science, Engineering, Technology and Math) classes. I instructed 3D animation classes in America, and out of the 96 students that I instructed daily, at parent-teacher conferences and open houses for the school, I would typically get 3-4 parents that actually showed up. This is a problem. Here in China, during the same events, if I have 96 students, at least 90 sets of parents will show up. Education needs a remake in America and it has to start with the parents being fully involved. Just my experience with this and your mileage may vary.

MRL

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Nov 18, 2019 19:28:52   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
[quote=Stephan G]

Just to say, China has been built over many distinct cultures. quote]

This is soooo true. in fact, there are STILL many, many different cultures. And I know many of you may not agree with this, but the fact is if the Communist party were not here, it would have far less order. I am NOT a communist and don't plan to become one, but there is a high level of order here that would not be otherwise. Please, no political discussions about this. China has always been a place of rival factions and war. Many of the dynastic periods are even named after the wars, so stability has never really been good here. An example of what I am talking about is the fact that just on the money, there is a total of 6 different languages written on the bills. I have also placed a graphic that I drew in Photoshop at the end of this note to illustrate the Dynasties.

As far as the Chinese Opera goes, the Beijing Opera is by far the most known in the west, but here in China, there are others considered at least equally good and sometimes even better. The Kunshangiang (Quin-Shan-Gee-Ang) Opera for example, has a greater following here in China. These performances are considered cultural heritage and the government assists in their preservation. The people who perform in these shows are trained from childhood and must learn ancient Chinese in order to preform them correctly. It is a highly difficult art and the language used is so old in fact, it must be translated for the audience. And even though I don't understand a word of it, it is mesmerizing to me. I thoroughly enjoy it. It IS very, very different from the operas that westerners are accustomed to though.



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Nov 18, 2019 20:07:50   #
gener202002
 
[quote=Pixeldawg]
Stephan G wrote:


Just to say, China has been built over many distinct cultures. quote]

This is soooo true. in fact, there are STILL many, many different cultures. And I know many of you may not agree with this, but the fact is if the Communist party were not here, it would have far less order. I am NOT a communist and don't plan to become one, but there is a high level of order here that would not be otherwise. Please, no political discussions about this. China has always been a place of rival factions and war. Many of the dynastic periods are even named after the wars, so stability has never really been good here. An example of what I am talking about is the fact that just on the money, there is a total of 6 different languages written on the bills. I have also placed a graphic that I drew in Photoshop at the end of this note to illustrate the Dynasties.

As far as the Chinese Opera goes, the Beijing Opera is by far the most known in the west, but here in China, there are others considered at least equally good and sometimes even better. The Kunshangiang (Quin-Shan-Gee-Ang) Opera for example, has a greater following here in China. These performances are considered cultural heritage and the government assists in their preservation. The people who perform in these shows are trained from childhood and must learn ancient Chinese in order to preform them correctly. It is a highly difficult art and the language used is so old in fact, it must be translated for the audience. And even though I don't understand a word of it, it is mesmerizing to me. I thoroughly enjoy it. It IS very, very different from the operas that westerners are accustomed to though.
br br Just to say, China has been built over man... (show quote)



There is so much to be said about a multicultural world, where we can all learn from one another. I much prefer that to societies considering other societies as barbarian and trying to destroy them. That seems to have been the way of the world for millenia. There is an emphasis now on a one world system, that in and of itself would not be bad, but it would be if we destroyed all variations of society and tried to make everybody the same. The Chinese, the Japanese, the Jews, the Middle Easterners, the European, and all others, we can all learn from one another, and I hope we don't destroy the cultures of any of these groups. We should have different cultures but appreciate each one for its beauty.

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Nov 19, 2019 21:19:49   #
Bubalola Loc: Big Apple, NY
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
Good Morning, everyone...

In China, Tai Chi is much different in consideration to what people in western countries consider it. In America for example, Tai Chi is nothing more than a kind of strange exercise, where people dress in funny, oriental clothes and practice "karate" moves in very slow motion. In China though, Tai Chi is much, much more. It is actually a philosophical paradigm and encompasses all aspects of ones' life. Everything from the food you eat, how you think and act toward others, how you treat and provide for your family, and of course, how you respect your body by taking care of it through exercise, meditation and general health care. It is actually quite interesting.

In China, there is also the "Mid-Autumn Festival", which the best way to describe it is that it is the Chinese version of "Thanksgiving". It is when the harvest is complete, and the people here are thankful for the abundance they have received over the past year. It's actual date, much like Thanksgiving, is never on a consistent date and is determined by the Buddhist calendar and falls on a full moon, typically at the very end of October or beginning of November. The most noted item during this time is the "Moon Cake", which is a delicious treat and if you have never had one, track them down and try one... they are excellent. During this week-long holiday, people in China travel enmass to visit family and loved ones. Some just travel to places they have never been. This was our situation this year, and we went to a place in between Suzhou (Sue-Joe), where we live and my wife's home of Jinghua (Ging-Wah), which is a 3 hour high speed rail trip from our home. The actual city we went to is called Wuyi (woo-yee) and is noted for having full scale replicas of many of the ancient palaces and towns in China. These are "back lots" and are used for movie making from productions within China and from all over the world. If you don't want to fight the crowds in Beijing, you can go to Wuyi and see perfect replicas of the "Purple Palace", which is a significant section of the Forbidden City. Since entertainment is such a big deal in this town, there are also some pretty spectacular shows and we went to one that was simply called the "Tai Chi Show". It went through all of the philosophy and stories related to Tai Chi and was really excellent. A first class production.

About the images... I shot all of these with a Nikon Z7 and a 70-200mm F2.8 EDIF Nikkor lens, using the provided adaptor that comes standard with the Z7. The ISO was 16,000 (yes, that's correct... 16,000) and an exposure of 1/250th @ F2.8. Post processed in Photoshop. Hope you enjoy and apologies for the length! :-)
Good Morning, everyone... br br In China, Tai Chi... (show quote)


Excellent set and quite a story! Enjoyed all the pics! Thanks for sharing!

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Nov 20, 2019 08:02:40   #
zensu Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
Thank you for such wonderful images and such detailed explanations of this art form. I too was blessed to have been a student of Master Moy and was able to study Tai Chi with him as my teacher for a many years. Those lessons changed my life and I am able to apply the movements he taught me to help me move around with Parkinsons. I know this might sound strange to western ears but he taught me to walk. Tai Chi is an art form that I will spend my life trying to master. Thanks again for sharing and I hope you will post more images and lessons here again.
Bobby

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Nov 20, 2019 18:42:02   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
Such a great note from you, Bobby! Thanks so much and hope your health remains good. By the way, I lived in Montgomery growing up and went to G.W. Carver Junior High and High School on Fairview Avenue, across from the Hardees. :-) I also lived and worked as a photographer at the Talladega Daily Home and later at the Tuscaloosa News. I miss Alabama at times. Such wonderful people and a beautiful state, but the politics is a little cray-cray. Hahaha! Be well!

ML

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Nov 21, 2019 08:09:14   #
zensu Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
Thanks Mark, I know the places you mentioned very well. I had a dear friend who taught at G.W. Carver, she passed away 10 years ago. I asked Master Moy once that if someone asked me which form he taught that his Tai Chi was that it was the Chan Form. When Master Moy was a young boy he was seriously ill and in rural China they didn't have health care so people would go to the local monasteries for health issues. Master Moy recovered and stayed at the monastery growing up. When the cultural revolution took place (remember Chairman Maos' little red book) they were basically purging all the intellectuals from China to reform their culture unfortunatly this included Master Moys' monastery. He was able to escape to Hong Kong and eventually was able to move to America where he was convinced to teach his form to westerners. He was an amazing man who lived an amazing life!
Bobby

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Nov 21, 2019 18:16:30   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
My wife is a Chinese national and some of the stories she has told me would astound most Americans. China is a very different place now, but in some ways are going back to the more traditional Mao era way of thinking. More conservative in the ideology. It has effected China profoundly and in the past 6 or so months, a quarter of the foreign population in Shanghai has left (100,000 people). I am also searching for a teaching position outside of China right now, and have applied at several universities, mostly in the United States (I applied for my "dream job" at Syracuse University, and keeping my fingers crossed because according to their documentation, I am "highly/preferred" in my qualifications for the position.) Again, fingers crossed. ;-)

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Nov 21, 2019 18:34:52   #
gener202002
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
My wife is a Chinese national and some of the stories she has told me would astound most Americans. China is a very different place now, but in some ways are going back to the more traditional Mao era way of thinking. More conservative in the ideology. It has effected China profoundly and in the past 6 or so months, a quarter of the foreign population in Shanghai has left (100,000 people). I am also searching for a teaching position outside of China right now, and have applied at several universities, mostly in the United States (I applied for my "dream job" at Syracuse University, and keeping my fingers crossed because according to their documentation, I am "highly/preferred" in my qualifications for the position.) Again, fingers crossed. ;-)
My wife is a Chinese national and some of the stor... (show quote)



For many years the Chinese absolutely refused to teach westerners, and when they finally allowed it, I am pretty sure we got a watered down version of it. Of course, I also think that with certain exceptions, even the Chinese learn a watered down version. There is an old saying in esoteric circles, both east and west, "you don't choose the master, the master chooses you."

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Nov 21, 2019 19:05:09   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
gener202002 wrote:
For many years the Chinese absolutely refused to teach westerners, and when they finally allowed it, I am pretty sure we got a watered down version of it. Of course, I also think that with certain exceptions, even the Chinese learn a watered down version. There is an old saying in esoteric circles, both east and west, "you don't choose the master, the master chooses you."


I have never really ran into these kinds of issues with the Chinese. They have a great respect for education and mentoring and in my experience anyway, it has been quite the opposite of what you have said here.

MRL

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Nov 21, 2019 19:21:04   #
gener202002
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
I have never really ran into these kinds of issues with the Chinese. They have a great respect for education and mentoring and in my experience anyway, it has been quite the opposite of what you have said here.

MRL



I think we are talking apples and oranges here. It is a fact that the Chinese refused to teach Tai Chi to westerners for many years. The first to break tradition was Bruce Lee, and some believe he was killed because of it. I won't speculate on it. Dr. Tao was very willing to teach Americans. However, no one knows how much he was willing to teach them, because American's did not have the capacity to learn. I studied in Seattle, but after I left the area, Dr. Tao switched to Ohio because he was very disappointed with the Seattle crowd. But the real masters, it is highly unlikely that anybody, except a few chosen, are ever going to know them. With the power of Tai Chi, it is not hard to understand why. It is not a matter of them being disrespectful, it is a matter of the students being disrespectful.

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Nov 21, 2019 21:39:46   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
gener202002 wrote:
I think we are talking apples and oranges here. It is a fact that the Chinese refused to teach Tai Chi to westerners for many years. The first to break tradition was Bruce Lee, and some believe he was killed because of it. I won't speculate on it. Dr. Tao was very willing to teach Americans. However, no one knows how much he was willing to teach them, because American's did not have the capacity to learn. I studied in Seattle, but after I left the area, Dr. Tao switched to Ohio because he was very disappointed with the Seattle crowd. But the real masters, it is highly unlikely that anybody, except a few chosen, are ever going to know them. With the power of Tai Chi, it is not hard to understand why. It is not a matter of them being disrespectful, it is a matter of the students being disrespectful.
I think we are talking apples and oranges here. It... (show quote)


Nope, the same. I have been to MANY Tai Chi classes with my wife as well as with others, and am ALWAYS invited to join in. I live and have lived in China for nearly 5 years, they are more than happy to include westerners.

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Nov 21, 2019 22:55:28   #
gener202002
 
Pixeldawg wrote:
Nope, the same. I have been to MANY Tai Chi classes with my wife as well as with others, and am ALWAYS invited to join in. I live and have lived in China for nearly 5 years, they are more than happy to include westerners.



Once again. I didn't say that. As far as not allowing westerners, that was a long time ago. However, you, as well as I, have no idea how much they are willing to teach any of us. Westerner or Chinese. Tai Chi is practiced all over the world now. I am talking about the higher level of the arts, which any true master is going to deny anyone but the highest and most moral of students. I studied Tai Chi for 35 years. I know what is open and what is not. My western identity didn't hurt me. What does hurt is moral rectitude, and capability of receiving. One can learn this art for hundreds of years, and still learn more.

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Nov 24, 2019 08:10:27   #
zensu Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
When Master Moy came to America he settled in Toronto and practiced the Tai Chi he was taught at the Taoist monastery where he grew up. He would go to a nearby park and practice Tai Chi. Many people (westerners) asked him to please teach them his Tai Chi. After many such request he consented and began to teach. This was the 60's and Master Moy was harassed by the Asian community for teaching Tai Chi to westerners but thank God he perserved and there are many Taoist Tai Chi centers around the world thanks to him and other Asians who decided to expand their great knowledge to us westerners. Another great Asian teacher who helped spread Tibetan Buddhist to the west was Chogyam Trungpa where I also studied Tibetan meditation. He also caught a lot of flack from many Asians at first but thanks to people like these great teachers (masters) things have changed in the last 5 decades for the better in these areas.

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