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Nov 6, 2019 08:38:34   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Cmbtvet wrote:
Its a shame that ignorant uneducated people with thin skin and no backbone have to ruin history. Yes the Civil War happened and it was a terrible war pitting brother against brother, father against son, but you cant change the future without knowing the past. The Confederate Flag was not a symbol of hatred it was originally a battle flag (such as the modern day guidons of todays militaries which sets apart different units) it was later adopted as the Southern states flag during the Civil War because the south wanted to be a separate country so to speak and have its own government, thus electing Jefferson Davis as the president of the southern states. The Confederate flag was incorporated into many state flags of the south until someone's feelings got hurt and political correctness came along and made them change their flags and take out the stars and bars. Now people want to tear down monuments commemorating the battles and leaders of the south such as Robert E Lee. This is history this is why we are the great country we are because we learn from our mistakes, you cant just erase history and act like it never happened, wrong or right those men and women deserve to be Honored. Was the Revolutionary war wrong because we wanted to be free and not live under the rule of a King, should we take down our monuments honoring Washington? NO. Was WW1 and WW2 wrong? NO it saved us from a physco that wanted to rule the world and get rid of the Jewish people. A lot of people didn't agree with the Korean war should we take down their memorials? NO. what about Vietnam? should we take down the wall that honors those brave men and women that died for an unpopular war for your freedom. NO, and then there's Afghanistan and Iraq which my wife and I are proud Veterans of. We both earned Bronze Stars and Purple Hearts for heroic actions and wounds we received for your freedom so you can walk outside without fear of being killed by a terrorist because they don't like our freedoms. If your gonna let a flag upset you then maybe you need to live in a cave and isolate yourself from the real world. I'm sure the United States Flag offends some people, but we aren't gonna change it for you or anyone else and I'm sure every Veteran on here will make sure of that
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Very well said!

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Nov 6, 2019 08:43:51   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
It is not a question of erasing history, it is a matter of whether or not people can choose what they want to celebrate and honor.

If you want to protect history, fight to protect the battlefields. If you want to honor the sacrifices of the men, visit the battlefields. If you want to learn the history, read.

Monuments celebrating the cause of human slavery are an affront, and the cause of the Confederacy was the protection and perpetuation of slavery - according to the men who founded the Confederacy and every other observer at the time.
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What’s a battlefield without a plaque, statue, or flag to help identify the location, and the explanation that goes with it? A PARK!

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Nov 6, 2019 09:44:17   #
GeneB Loc: Chattanooga Tennessee
 
Cmbtvet wrote:
Its a shame that ignorant uneducated people with thin skin and no backbone have to ruin history. Yes the Civil War happened and it was a terrible war pitting brother against brother, father against son, but you cant change the future without knowing the past. The Confederate Flag was not a symbol of hatred it was originally a battle flag (such as the modern day guidons of todays militaries which sets apart different units) it was later adopted as the Southern states flag during the Civil War because the south wanted to be a separate country so to speak and have its own government, thus electing Jefferson Davis as the president of the southern states. The Confederate flag was incorporated into many state flags of the south until someone's feelings got hurt and political correctness came along and made them change their flags and take out the stars and bars. Now people want to tear down monuments commemorating the battles and leaders of the south such as Robert E Lee. This is history this is why we are the great country we are because we learn from our mistakes, you cant just erase history and act like it never happened, wrong or right those men and women deserve to be Honored. Was the Revolutionary war wrong because we wanted to be free and not live under the rule of a King, should we take down our monuments honoring Washington? NO. Was WW1 and WW2 wrong? NO it saved us from a physco that wanted to rule the world and get rid of the Jewish people. A lot of people didn't agree with the Korean war should we take down their memorials? NO. what about Vietnam? should we take down the wall that honors those brave men and women that died for an unpopular war for your freedom. NO, and then there's Afghanistan and Iraq which my wife and I are proud Veterans of. We both earned Bronze Stars and Purple Hearts for heroic actions and wounds we received for your freedom so you can walk outside without fear of being killed by a terrorist because they don't like our freedoms. If your gonna let a flag upset you then maybe you need to live in a cave and isolate yourself from the real world. I'm sure the United States Flag offends some people, but we aren't gonna change it for you or anyone else and I'm sure every Veteran on here will make sure of that
Its a shame that ignorant uneducated people with t... (show quote)



I agree with your comments almost 100%. The only thing we learned from our time in Vietnam is don't bring the draft back. No country was going to come to the U.S. and bomb us back then unlike today's wars and battles.

I salute you and your wife for your service and sacrifice.

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Nov 6, 2019 09:50:46   #
GeneB Loc: Chattanooga Tennessee
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I take it then that it is the cause that you support and that you are promoting.

Of course it is an insult to exclude the hundreds of thousands of men from the South who were loyal to the United States when we honor the sacrifices made by the men who fought in the Civil War.


I am not supporting promoting anything except the political correctness is going to be the downfall of our country. If that hurts someone's feelings, I don't care. I have ancestors that fought for the Union and the Confederates. Should I hate the men that fought for the Confederates and dig up their graves so feelings won't be hurt?

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Nov 6, 2019 10:01:59   #
GeneB Loc: Chattanooga Tennessee
 
scubaman65 wrote:
I feel that I have to add to my previous brief reply to this post in order to somewhat validate it. I once had the opportunity to transfer my job with a significant promotion and increase in salary to a new plant in NC. The promotion and increase in salary would have just about doubled my income. I had made several trips to the new planned facility and had worked with a number of local people in the process of planning the new operation. However I found the local people that I was dealing with had deep prejudices against blacks. This was not because they individually were bad people but just the result of the culture in which they had grown up and which they believed in. I personally had grown up in a similar society but not in the deep south. There had been no slavery in PA where I grew up. I attended school in a company owned town coal town where every thing was built and owned by the coal company so I had some experience with living in a society that was not slavery but was very much out of individual control.

Getting back to the subject at hand. Tremendous pressure was put on me to take the new job and transfer and I was repeatedly and tacitly reminded that I would be out of a job if I did not accept the transfer.
Ultimately I decided that I did not want my children to grow up with those kinds of beliefs and refused the transfer and did indeed become unemployed. I do not want to imply that I did not have some preconceived racial attitudes myself but I did realize that they were not a good way to live. My decision resulted in many difficulties for me and my family. In spite of the resulting difficulties in our life I do not regret the decision. So anyone reading this should be able to realize that my initial unconsidered response has some validity.
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Surely you don't believe the same prejudices against blacks do not exist in the Northernen states. I lived and worked in Cincinnati Ohio for 38 years and these things exists and haven't gone away in the North. I was surprised to see that back in 1970 and it has not gone away there. I am now retired and living back in the South and loving it. Racial prejudice still exists. It is everywhere. No I am not black, just an old white due tired of so much B.S. that we endure.

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Nov 6, 2019 10:51:05   #
Fred Frank Loc: Roanoke Alabama
 
Thank you for the well stated reply. I'm a Vietnam era veteran. I agree whole heartedly with your comments.
Thanks to you and your wife for your patriotism, courage, and love for country and fellow Americans. I mean that. None should be forgotten.

I also say screw those who don't feel the same.

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Nov 6, 2019 11:02:37   #
Cmbtvet Loc: Elmira, NY
 
Fred Frank wrote:
Thank you for the well stated reply. I'm a Vietnam era veteran. I agree whole heartedly with your comments.
Thanks to you and your wife for your patriotism, courage, and love for country and fellow Americans. I mean that. None should be forgotten.

I also say screw those who don't feel the same.


Thank you Fred and thank you for your service as well

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Nov 6, 2019 16:08:16   #
scubaman65 Loc: Ragersville (Sugarcreek) Ohio
 
Don't often reply to topics discussed on UHH. It is difficult to express ones thoughts with total clarity so that they will be understood as intended by anyone that reads what has been written. No I do not believe the same prejudices did not exist in the north and still do. However they were more prevalent in the south in the sixties when I first traveled in any southern states. I worked in Huntsville, Alabama for a brief period of time in 1964. I have over the years worked in a variety of both southern and northern states as well as overseas and know that prejudice exists where ever people exist.
I totally oppose the destruction or removal of any statues or memorials honoring any individual or group that fought in any war for our country. They are part of our history.
When I decided not to move to NC in the seventies it was not that I thought the people there were bad people, they were not. In fact they were good people, very friendly, always helpful. However the prejudices were stronger and more prevalent there than where we lived in Ohio.
By the way we lived in Forest Park just north of down town Cincy for 8 years, 1962-1970. Worked at AVCO Electronics ( no longer exists) in Evendale.
Anyway I think you and I are on the same team but from slightly different perspectives.

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