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Don't believe everything you see or hear.... California wildfires
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Nov 6, 2019 05:22:07   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
I am happy you helped save the Reagen Library. Please don't be so condescending, there is no reason to attack me here. Scientists far smarter than you or me have developed a consensus opinion about climate warming. There are virtually no opposition opinion based on any science.


Actually ... they haven't.

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Nov 6, 2019 09:59:27   #
toxdoc42
 
SteveR wrote:
My father-in-law was dean of forestry at Stephen F. Austin State University, at the time the second largest forestry school in the country next to Minnesota. I'd consider him an expert scientist in the field of forestry. He said decades ago that if the scrub wasn't cleared out of a forest via controlled burn primarily you'd have these kind of fires. He was right. Combined with some of the other situations California has, you've got a perfect storm.

If environmentalists don't want to remove the scrub because the brush is part of nature, then the resulting fires must also be accepted as part of nature. However, if you're going to build thousands of houses "in nature," you've got to control it.
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I don't know who you are attacking here, but, as far as I know, the "environmentalists" have supported the efforts of the National Forestry people. I have never heard them fight against all efforts to prevent wild fires and forest fires. It requires a concerted effort on all parts.

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Nov 6, 2019 10:59:17   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
I don't know who you are attacking here, but, as far as I know, the "environmentalists" have supported the efforts of the National Forestry people. I have never heard them fight against all efforts to prevent wild fires and forest fires. It requires a concerted effort on all parts.


It's my understanding that one of the reasons for these fires is failure to clear out the underbrush. Perhaps the prime method of doing so is controlled burns.

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Nov 6, 2019 13:21:33   #
toxdoc42
 
I have not heard that report. These were wild fires, not forest fires and thus the discussion about forestry is moot. The federal forestry people do routine controlled burns, as dangerous as they are, they are part of the program. The recent fires seemed not really the same, they made a clear distinction between these wild fires and forest fires. Controlling nature is never easy, probably impossible. Nature generally wins. There is a problem in CA and elsewhere, in that people are pushing where they live farther and farther out from the cities and coming closer to the forest lines. Often there is little but a road separating the housing from the "forest." It is then just a matter of time when a natural fire will develop and jump the road. "We" need to do something about housing and planning in order to avoid the human catastrophe fromt he firs.

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Nov 6, 2019 13:47:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
Let us not get into the politics. There is possibly some "fake news," but, what you relate is the overinterpretation ovedramatization, not the production of false, aka fake, news. It is like alternative facts versus real facts! There are serious wild fires, they are destroying vast expanses of forests and housing. The earth has had wild fires since the earth was born. That is true, but it is also true that in this age, the dangers and damages are far greater than before.


2 reasons for greater dangers and damges than before. More people living in fire prone areas and things cost a lot more now than in the past.

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