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Aug 5, 2019 06:46:31   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
scallihan wrote:
I took my late husband's Nikon D5200 (too complicated for me) to a camera dealer who told me, based on the serial number, that it was gray market and did not make an offer. My husband had purchased it from BH Photo, so I was surprised.


That's strange because several members have said they contacted Nikon Service asking about gray market serial numbers. They were told that they had to examine the camera, and they could not tell by the serial number alone, which seems odd.

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Aug 5, 2019 08:03:07   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Dziadzi wrote:
Fellow Hoggers, I am considering a bid on a Nikon camera being sold on ebay. The seller has given me the serial number of the camera. How can I use that number to determine if the camera is made for US or grey market? Thanks ahead of time. Frank


It can help but lately Nikon is changing numbers, but generally you will find the following. Look at the first number in the serial number for the clue.
1- not used
2- Japan
3- USA
4- Europe
5- Canada
6- Australia
7- Asia
8- UK
9- not used

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Aug 5, 2019 08:19:27   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
CO wrote:
B & H Photo sells gray market but it's stated that it's gray market.


So does Adorama. Look carefully for warranty information. If it says warranty by dealer. It’s most likely gray or if offers a Square Deal (I think that’s the name?), another clue.

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Aug 5, 2019 08:20:50   #
Dziadzi Loc: Wilkes-Barre, PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Surprisingly, Nikon says they have to examine the camera to determine if is gray market or not.


Thanks for the information, Jerry.

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Aug 5, 2019 09:51:46   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
MT Shooter wrote:
NOT a USA model as the SN begins with 8. (If I remember right that will be a Great Britain SN.)
All USA Nikon cameras have SN's that begin with the first two digits from "25" through "39".



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Aug 6, 2019 06:00:12   #
pacman Loc: Toowoomba, Qld, Australia.
 
billnikon wrote:
It can help but lately Nikon is changing numbers, but generally you will find the following. Look at the first number in the serial number for the clue.
1- not used
2- Japan
3- USA
4- Europe
5- Canada
6- Australia
7- Asia
8- UK
9- not used


My wife bought me a Nikon D600 in 2013. Purchased through a Brisbane Australia outlet, but shipped from Hong Kong, with the serial number 9327094.

What have I got? A counterfeit grey market job? If it is counterfeit, it is one hell of a job. All the bells and whistles I have tried work as they should.

After a little research, I played back an image in Overview mode, and this indicated "D600", so apparently not a counterfeit. So what have I got?

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Aug 6, 2019 06:08:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Dziadzi wrote:
Fellow Hoggers, I am considering a bid on a Nikon camera being sold on ebay. The seller has given me the serial number of the camera. How can I use that number to determine if the camera is made for US or grey market? Thanks ahead of time. Frank


The only sure-fire way to not end up with a gray market item is to ask the question of the seller - so it is on the record that it is not gray. You may or may not get an answer from Nikon, but you will likely have better luck with one of their independent authorized service centers. If it turns out the seller made a misrepresentation, let the seller deal with it. You should get a complete refund, including the original shipping to you. If that doesn't happen, then PayPal will ALWAYS intervene on your behalf.

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Aug 6, 2019 06:29:14   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
pacman wrote:
My wife bought me a Nikon D600 in 2013. Purchased through a Brisbane Australia outlet, but shipped from Hong Kong, with the serial number 9327094.

What have I got? A counterfeit grey market job? If it is counterfeit, it is one hell of a job. All the bells and whistles I have tried work as they should.

After a little research, I played back an image in Overview mode, and this indicated "D600", so apparently not a counterfeit. So what have I got?


As I said in my original post, Nikon has been changing their number systems. Nothing it seems is really carved in stone anymore. My list is meant as another means of identification but not to be used as gospel. The list is the latest I had from Nikon.

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Aug 6, 2019 08:27:36   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
pacman wrote:
My wife bought me a Nikon D600 in 2013. Purchased through a Brisbane Australia outlet, but shipped from Hong Kong, with the serial number 9327094.

What have I got? A counterfeit grey market job? If it is counterfeit, it is one hell of a job. All the bells and whistles I have tried work as they should.

After a little research, I played back an image in Overview mode, and this indicated "D600", so apparently not a counterfeit. So what have I got?


You have a perfectly functional Nikon D600 with a s/n starting with #9. On the numbers: Old information; Nikon has been using 2 and 3 for 1st. US digit location/market identifier (and 2 digit combos) for a little while now due to so many mfg. and sold (or intended to be) here. Obviously 9 was used and is relevant now, 25xxxx became a US designation with the D7100 models (so now 2 is not exclusive to Japan), and other numeric location identifiers started to evolve with the 1st and 2nd digit in the last few years. The "location" soup appears to be growing. Putting a letter region identifier helps (I see this on some of my lenses), simply starting the S/N with US, EU, JA, SA, AU, would be much more helpful.

Other once unique to region numbers have started showing up in other places, Nikon keeps shifting to a very problematic (for customers) method of uniquely identifying region, especially in Europe, where they’re using previously Canadian and Australian numbers (e.g. 51xxxxx and 61xxxxx), and in Asia/Pacific, where they now use 6xxxxxx, 7xxxxxx, and 8xxxxxx numbers. It is becoming much harder for the consumer to ascertain target market/US versus Grey as these changes continue. As you have shown, they also use "9" now, but I don't know what region that is supposed to represent.

Technically, there is no difference in the product regardless of starting numbers, they all come off the same assembly line, and have the same parts, it is just "protectionism" for the retailers in a specific area (like USA), although the camera may come setup for another language, "wrench" menu change should cover language on most cameras.
Hope that helps.

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Aug 6, 2019 11:10:36   #
relie Loc: Western Massachusetts
 
LFingar wrote:
I would guess that only Nikon can answer that. I have seen plenty of opinions posted in this regard, mainly concerning indicative number or letter sequences in the s/n, but no iron-clad rule it would seem. As soon as someone states that this or that combination indicates US or non-US someone else points out an exception.


The star before and after the serial number show that it's a refurb. Don't be afraid of these as, Ive bot many of them and they all worked just fine.

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Aug 6, 2019 12:43:10   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
If Nikon would just carry the two or three letter "Market Region" designator to the front of the S/N on camera and lenses, it would be so much easier for all.

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Aug 6, 2019 19:28:59   #
pacman Loc: Toowoomba, Qld, Australia.
 
olemikey wrote:
You have a perfectly functional Nikon D600 with a s/n starting with #9. On the numbers: Old information; Nikon has been using 2 and 3 for 1st. US digit location/market identifier (and 2 digit combos) for a little while now due to so many mfg. and sold (or intended to be) here. Obviously 9 was used and is relevant now, 25xxxx became a US designation with the D7100 models (so now 2 is not exclusive to Japan), and other numeric location identifiers started to evolve with the 1st and 2nd digit in the last few years. The "location" soup appears to be growing. Putting a letter region identifier helps (I see this on some of my lenses), simply starting the S/N with US, EU, JA, SA, AU, would be much more helpful.

Other once unique to region numbers have started showing up in other places, Nikon keeps shifting to a very problematic (for customers) method of uniquely identifying region, especially in Europe, where they’re using previously Canadian and Australian numbers (e.g. 51xxxxx and 61xxxxx), and in Asia/Pacific, where they now use 6xxxxxx, 7xxxxxx, and 8xxxxxx numbers. It is becoming much harder for the consumer to ascertain target market/US versus Grey as these changes continue. As you have shown, they also use "9" now, but I don't know what region that is supposed to represent.

Technically, there is no difference in the product regardless of starting numbers, they all come off the same assembly line, and have the same parts, it is just "protectionism" for the retailers in a specific area (like USA), although the camera may come setup for another language, "wrench" menu change should cover language on most cameras.
Hope that helps.
You have a perfectly functional Nikon D600 with a ... (show quote)



Thanks Mike and, yes, it does help. photsynthesis.co.nz lists D610 models numbered from 9000001 through to 9133369 as possibly pertaining to China. When I read that, the penny dropped - China & Hong Kong, why wouldn't they now share the same identifiers?

Thanks.

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Aug 6, 2019 21:52:42   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
pacman wrote:
Thanks Mike and, yes, it does help. photsynthesis.co.nz lists D610 models numbered from 9000001 through to 9133369 as possibly pertaining to China. When I read that, the penny dropped - China & Hong Kong, why wouldn't they now share the same identifiers?

Thanks.


Sounds likely, that is a huge growing market, there is new money in the region, they could suck up a ton of cameras (and think of the phones, wow). Anyway, enjoy your rig, should provide plenty of good hunting!

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