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Jul 17, 2019 22:52:42   #
Angmo
 
pendennis wrote:
No, but he stated in his reported that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant obstruction charges. That's outside his purview to determine what is prosecutable, and what isn't. He reached a conclusion, and his charge was only to report the facts.


You should have listened gooder. Go back and watch again.

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Jul 17, 2019 23:06:33   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Designdweeb wrote:
Elaine2025 wrote:
I never mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh. They are Pundits and more often than not, they get it right while the fake lying media is still standing there trying to wipe the egg off their faces.

The Mueller report had no charges. A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR DOES NOT EXONERATE, THAT TERM HAS NO LEGAL MEANING. THERE IS A CRIME OR THERE ISN'T. IN THIS CASE THERE ISN'T. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

The scope of the report was not to charge, that is a possible conclusion after a congressional inquiry, as I understand the limits of Mueller's task.
Elaine2025 wrote: br I never mentioned Hannity and... (show quote)


Nice try!

Mueller indicted, ie. charged, a bunch of people during his investigation. There is absolutely no rule, law, or mandate which prevented him from concluding and reporting that he found that Trump committed crimes, regardless of whether he believed he could or couldn't charge a sitting President.

The fact that he didn't come out and state that Trump committed crimes clearly says he didn't find any he would have been able to charge him with if he could.

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Jul 17, 2019 23:29:52   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 


The investigation of the investigation will bring to light many partisan things and unknown things.
Waiting for things...

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Jul 17, 2019 23:31:24   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
pendennis wrote:
No, but he stated in his reported that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant obstruction charges. That's outside his purview to determine what is prosecutable, and what isn't. He reached a conclusion, and his charge was only to report the facts.


He thru chum in the water for the fisherpersons.

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Jul 18, 2019 00:39:48   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
WNYShooter wrote:
Nice try!

Mueller indicted, ie. charged, a bunch of people during his investigation. There is absolutely no rule, law, or mandate which prevented him from concluding and reporting that he found that Trump committed crimes, regardless of whether he believed he could or couldn't charge a sitting President.

The fact that he didn't come out and state that Trump committed crimes clearly says he didn't find any he would have been able to charge him with if he could.


You are correct. If Mueller had the power to indict other suspects from the investigation then he certainly had the power to bring charges against President Trump IF the elements of a crime were there. Without all elements of a crime being present in a report then there is no crime. For him to pass on the report saying that Congress might find something is pure BS. If there had been something he coulda, woulda, shoulda brought forth charges. This whole fiasco is nothing more than to keep Trump looking guilty until the 2020 election comes up. After the election there will be nothing as far as this particular investigation goes. It is just a red herring to keep Conservatives busy fighting this investigation while Democrats skate by on the Bill Clinton/Epstein sex trafficking investigation or the outright lies spread around about by the four idiots known as The Squad.

Dennis

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Jul 18, 2019 07:24:52   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Designdweeb wrote:
Elaine2025 wrote:
I never mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh. They are Pundits and more often than not, they get it right while the fake lying media is still standing there trying to wipe the egg off their faces.

The Mueller report had no charges. A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR DOES NOT EXONERATE, THAT TERM HAS NO LEGAL MEANING. THERE IS A CRIME OR THERE ISN'T. IN THIS CASE THERE ISN'T. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

The scope of the report was not to charge, that is a possible conclusion after a congressional inquiry, as I understand the limits of Mueller's task.
Elaine2025 wrote: br I never mentioned Hannity and... (show quote)


Muellers job was to determine if a crime had been committed. Mueller found no crime. The lib fascist socialist dems will not let it go. They want to investigate the investigator. Meanwhile dems are doing nothing for Americans. This will backfire big time for them in 2020. Now the dems have voted to impeach, and of course no law has been broken, but they want to impeach because they don't like Trump, which is all grandstanding, they know it will NEVER go anywhere.

Mueller had 20 top DEMOCRAT lawyers working on this for over 2 years. Some of those lawyers were Clinton lawyers. Do you really believe that those lawyers would have let Trump walk if a crime had been committed? That they would have covered it up to help Trump????? Democrats have lost what little bit of intelligence they had.

American are satisfied nothing happened and they don't care one bit about this. THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE DOING TO AMERICA. Americans care about jobs, healthcare, unemployment, bringing dictators to the table, bad tariff deals, they care about things that affect THEIR lives.

It is my hope that Democrats will continue to be so bat Sh*t crazy they will destroy themselves as we watch the sh*t show. According to dems EVERYONE WHO IS NOT A DEM IS A RACIST. Americans KNOW what a racist is, they don't need dems to tell them, and Trump is not a racist and there was not one word of racism in his tweet. These four racist women use their gender and color to bully. It's that simple.

2020 will not be a good year for dems.

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Jul 18, 2019 08:35:32   #
pendennis
 
WNYShooter wrote:
Nice try!

Mueller indicted, ie. charged, a bunch of people during his investigation. There is absolutely no rule, law, or mandate which prevented him from concluding and reporting that he found that Trump committed crimes, regardless of whether he believed he could or couldn't charge a sitting President.

The fact that he didn't come out and state that Trump committed crimes clearly says he didn't find any he would have been able to charge him with if he could.


WRONG!

It has been the policy of the DOJ and the FBI for years, not to reveal the identity of anyone not indicted for a crime. When an investigation is concluded, and no indictments are made, the reports are filed away, without mention of the person(s) investigated, keeping their privacy. The reasons are obvious.

PS - This isn't something I "dreamed up". Former Federal Prosecutors such as Joe DiGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Andrew McCarthy; along with former head of the NY field office James Kallstrom, have stated as such.

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Jul 18, 2019 10:20:31   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 


OK I have read the links. Obama was still the POTUS and did nothing to stop the Russian meddling in our election. One link pointed out he didn't want to look like he was favoring Hillary in the election. Let me get his straight. Obama was the Democratic President yet he didn't want to seem as if he was supporting the Democratic nominee for the Presidency. Wow!!! Wasn't he the fair one. We should all bow and scrape to his fairness. NOT! Nothing but horse shit my friend.

Dennis

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Jul 18, 2019 10:25:05   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
pendennis wrote:
No, but he stated in his reported that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant obstruction charges. That's outside his purview to determine what is prosecutable, and what isn't. He reached a conclusion, and his charge was only to report the facts.


Not true and his indicting several others proves my point. He could have charged President Trump or at least brought out chargeable offenses. He did not do that with the charge of obstruction. He left everything in a wishy washy manner instead for the Democratic Congress to continue with this BS charade. There are elements to every crime. If those elements are met there is a crime. If not then it may be another crime or no crime at all. Apparently the elements of obstruction were not met. Then there was no crime of obstruction.

Mueller is a trained investigator. Are you really wanting us to believe he could not make up his mind after two years of the same investigation? Are you that lame or do you think we are?

Dennis

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Jul 18, 2019 10:48:07   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
pendennis wrote:
WRONG!

It has been the policy of the DOJ and the FBI for years, not to reveal the identity of anyone not indicted for a crime. When an investigation is concluded, and no indictments are made, the reports are filed away, without mention of the person(s) investigated, keeping their privacy. The reasons are obvious.

PS - This isn't something I "dreamed up". Former Federal Prosecutors such as Joe DiGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Andrew McCarthy; along with former head of the NY field office James Kallstrom, have stated as such.
WRONG! br br It has been the policy of the DOJ an... (show quote)


You are confused! He could have stated in his report any findings by a special counsel that the president committed anything which could/would be otherwise prosecuted as a crime if not for the DOJ's policy on Sitting President." THERE IS NOTHING WHICH PREVENTS SUCH A STATEMENT, especially so since the the investigation was already very public. Even the USAG clearly stated that fact, and he was ultimately in charge of Mueller's final report. Doesn't matter what anybody else says about it being legal or not, the ultimate decision to say it was entirely up to Mueller and Barr.

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Jul 18, 2019 10:54:32   #
Lemon Drop Kid Loc: Greeley, CO
 
[quote=Designdweeb]Elaine2025 wrote:
I never mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh. They are Pundits and more often than not, they get it right while the fake lying media is still standing there trying to wipe the egg off their faces.

"Fake lying media." How old are you Elaine? Your use of that Trump cliche is the tip off of how much
you really know of United States history -- very little. Do you ever listen to anybody but Hannity and Limbaugh? Watch any tv channel but Fox? Do you know the dictionary definition of "pundit"? It is "one who is an expert in a field," not one who offers only opinion, which is what H and L do. (Limbaugh himself has defined his work as that of an "entertainer".)

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Jul 18, 2019 11:54:08   #
Angmo
 
[quote=Lemon Drop Kid]
Designdweeb wrote:
Elaine2025 wrote:
I never mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh. They are Pundits and more often than not, they get it right while the fake lying media is still standing there trying to wipe the egg off their faces.

"Fake lying media." How old are you Elaine? Your use of that Trump cliche is the tip off of how much
you really know of United States history -- very little. Do you ever listen to anybody but Hannity and Limbaugh? Watch any tv channel but Fox? Do you know the dictionary definition of "pundit"? It is "one who is an expert in a field," not one who offers only opinion, which is what H and L do. (Limbaugh himself has defined his work as that of an "entertainer".)
Elaine2025 wrote: br I never mentioned Hannity and... (show quote)

Think about it:



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Jul 18, 2019 12:11:37   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
dennis2146 wrote:
OK I have read the links. Obama was still the POTUS and did nothing to stop the Russian meddling in our election. One link pointed out he didn't want to look like he was favoring Hillary in the election. Let me get his straight. Obama was the Democratic President yet he didn't want to seem as if he was supporting the Democratic nominee for the Presidency. Wow!!! Wasn't he the fair one. We should all bow and scrape to his fairness. NOT! Nothing but horse shit my friend.

Dennis



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Jul 18, 2019 12:26:55   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
[quote=Lemon Drop Kid]
Designdweeb wrote:
Elaine2025 wrote:
I never mentioned Hannity and Limbaugh. They are Pundits and more often than not, they get it right while the fake lying media is still standing there trying to wipe the egg off their faces.

"Fake lying media." How old are you Elaine? Your use of that Trump cliche is the tip off of how much
you really know of United States history -- very little. Do you ever listen to anybody but Hannity and Limbaugh? Watch any tv channel but Fox? Do you know the dictionary definition of "pundit"? It is "one who is an expert in a field," not one who offers only opinion, which is what H and L do. (Limbaugh himself has defined his work as that of an "entertainer".)
Elaine2025 wrote: br I never mentioned Hannity and... (show quote)


I am old enough to know that the fake liberal media are liars and that is proven over and over. Remember over two years of how Trump colluded with Russia? That is your fake lying media for you. Don't start your liberal crap with me. You have nothing to use as facts so you bring up Hannity and Limbaugh which you have no idea if I have ever listened to them or not.

US History????? WTH???? We are talking about Trump, remember? Stick to facts, or as usual show you have nothing but liberal drivel.

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Jul 18, 2019 14:37:27   #
Lemon Drop Kid Loc: Greeley, CO
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
I am old enough to know that the fake liberal media are liars and that is proven over and over. Remember over two years of how Trump colluded with Russia? That is your fake lying media for you. Don't start your liberal crap with me. You have nothing to use as facts so you bring up Hannity and Limbaugh which you have no idea if I have ever listened to them or not.

US History????? WTH???? We are talking about Trump, remember? Stick to facts, or as usual show you have nothing but liberal drivel.
I am old enough to know that the fake liberal medi... (show quote)


You are, of course, using "Trump Facts". Those are included in the more than 10,000 lies which Trump has said or written in the past 2.5 years. If you believe the lies, nothing can be done to convince you otherwise. Some people believe the earth is flat, some think there was no moon landing, and still others are certain the earth is not getting warmer. They are happy in their ignorance, and that is that. As to my mention of US history, you will find therein many references to the importance to the country of a free press. Concerning Trump's collusion with Russia, that is still under investigation. One more item -- for 58 years I was a registered Republican. I am sickened by what Donald Trump has done to it.

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