Interesting is the fact that, as mirrorless bodies shrink in size, complaints increase on ergonomics.
I have the Fuji x100F as a walk around camera, and love that it is so convenient and portable. One basic shortcoming is no thumb rest... its odd how the manufactures can't figure that out. Most mirrorless need extra's like hand grips, or other add-on's to be more usable it seems.
With two Mk 4's that serve me well, a Canon 1DX mkii purchase was a tough one, considering what is in print concerning the specs of the 5D vs 1DX and the size. None the less, I love the bulkiness... and my Lord is it accurate and fast. One of the best purchases I have ever made. I really had to toss the idea of going smaller on this one.
Yes, small can be a good thing, but for me, when I need to mount serious glass or be more accurate... Bigger seems a better choice, and the size of the 1DX mkii actually has an ergonomic advantage after a week of use, when comparing bodies.
I wonder when a perfect ergonomic size, and basic hand comfort will be finally figured out in the designs of future bodies...
catchlight.. wrote:
Interesting is the fact that, as mirrorless bodies shrink in size, complaints increase on ergonomics.
I have the Fuji x100F as a walk around camera, and love that it is so convenient and portable. One basic shortcoming is no thumb rest... its odd how the manufactures can't figure that out. Most mirrorless need extra's like hand grips, or other add-on's to be more usable it seems.
With two Mk 4's that serve me well, a Canon 1DX mkii purchase was a tough one, considering what is in print concerning the specs of the 5D vs 1DX and the size. None the less, I love the bulkiness... and my Lord is it accurate and fast. One of the best purchases I have ever made. I really had to toss the idea of going smaller on this one.
Yes, small can be a good thing, but for me, when I need to mount serious glass or be more accurate... Bigger seems a better choice, and the size of the 1DX mkii actually has an ergonomic advantage after a week of use, when comparing bodies.
I wonder when a perfect ergonomic size, and basic hand comfort will be finally figured out in the designs of future bodies...
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I agree about the Fujifilm camera, I have a X-100T and find it a bit too small to grasp. I somewhat felt the same about the Pentax ME, ME Super, and MX film cameras preferring the older and larger K cameras. These day though I came to a Fuji X camera for reduced weight because of my arthritis. My Pentax K-3, K-5, K-20D, K-100D are a bit heavy today for me and for that reason I also do not have a FF Pentax K-1 or K-1ii. Perhaps the "rangefinder" type Fuji or hybrid is not the answer for me but a Fuji MILC with the more traditional "DSLR" shape. I don't shoot any giant glass, nothing longer than 300mm.
The problem is what is ergonomic for you isn't for me.
I held a friends Sony A7 a while back and found it surprisingly uncomfortable in my hands compared to any Nikon or Canon SLR I have ever owned. I’m now a Canon shooter and I really hope the next generation mirrorless offerings take an ergonomic approach. Any tool manufacturer should recognize the importance of feel and comfort as an equal part of performance and design.
I, too, own a Fuji X-100T, and agree that it's "too small," even for my average sized hands. Thus I added the available grip, which also provides an Arca-Swiss connection. The combination is much more ergonomic. Downside - the grip is unreasonably expensive.
On the other hand, I sold my Nikon DSLRs and my 24-70/2.8G lens, and replaced them with a Nikon Z7 mirrorless body and the 24-70/4S lens. This combination I find to be the perfect size, and it provides a compact and lightweight package that is much easier to carry and maneuver than the DSLR system. And of course it can use all of my existing Nikon glass with the FTZ adapter (end of Nikon commercial!).
I definitely like more size, all the DSLRs I've had I added battery grips, not for extra battery needs but for handling.
Excellent thumb rests are available for the Fuji X100F from Lensmate.com, B&H Photo and from other vendors. I‘ve always preferred the Lensmate version which provides a secure grip with out adding the weight and bulk of a battery grip and does not affect access to the battery/memory card or the tripod mount.
BebuLamar wrote:
The problem is what is ergonomic for you isn't for me.
Glad I read the thread and didn't repeat this in a new post.
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catchlight.. wrote:
I have the Fuji x100F as a walk around camera, and love that it is so convenient and portable. One basic shortcoming is no thumb rest... its odd how the manufactures can't figure that out. Most mirrorless need extra's like hand grips, or other add-on's to be more usable it seems.
It's just a matter of getting used to a camera. For example, I'm used to cameras without thumb rests; when I pick up a camera with thumb rest, it feels very awkward to me.
I got a Canon RP when it was introduced and it came with a free extension bottom which I wouldn't have paid extra for, being frugal by nature, but it makes a big difference in room for the pinky to hold the camera, as I was used to bigger Canons. The other thing that surprised me was how big and heavy the RF 24-105 was. It would be a good walking around camera with a nifty fifty or something much lighter.
BebuLamar wrote:
The problem is what is ergonomic for you isn't for me.
Well said. And...what's "perfect" for you isn't "perfect" for me. Good one!
rjaywallace wrote:
Excellent thumb rests are available for the Fuji X100F from Lensmate.com, B&H Photo and from other vendors. I‘ve always preferred the Lensmate version which provides a secure grip with out adding the weight and bulk of a battery grip and does not affect access to the battery/memory card or the tripod mount.
Kuzano included a good quality thumb-rest with the X-A1 he sold me. Works great, wouldn't want to be without it.
I tried it on my X-E2 and don't like it at all. It seems to get in the way of the shutter speed dial. But, I find that I DO like a Bolin leather half-case on the X-E2.
catchlight.. wrote:
Interesting is the fact that, as mirrorless bodies shrink in size, complaints increase on ergonomics.
I have the Fuji x100F as a walk around camera, and love that it is so convenient and portable. One basic shortcoming is no thumb rest... its odd how the manufactures can't figure that out. Most mirrorless need extra's like hand grips, or other add-on's to be more usable it seems.
With two Mk 4's that serve me well, a Canon 1DX mkii purchase was a tough one, considering what is in print concerning the specs of the 5D vs 1DX and the size. None the less, I love the bulkiness... and my Lord is it accurate and fast. One of the best purchases I have ever made. I really had to toss the idea of going smaller on this one.
Yes, small can be a good thing, but for me, when I need to mount serious glass or be more accurate... Bigger seems a better choice, and the size of the 1DX mkii actually has an ergonomic advantage after a week of use, when comparing bodies.
I wonder when a perfect ergonomic size, and basic hand comfort will be finally figured out in the designs of future bodies...
Interesting is the fact that, as mirrorless bodies... (
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They don't shrink in size, they've been smaller, but for some time now, they're getting bigger!
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